Talk:Ontario Health Insurance Plan

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[edit] Alphabet soup: OHIP, OHSIP and OMSIP

Previous names of the provincial government plan were OMSIP and OHSIP. OHSIP was later shortened to the present OHIP.

I remember, as a child, hearing the radio advertising in the late 1960s, over and over for weeks, about the changeover from OMSIP to OHSIP. I have no memory, however, of the change from OHSIP, but that must have been in the 1970s or early 1980s.

OMSIP (Ontario Medical Services Insurance Plan) was established and enacted on July 1, 1966. On October 1, 1969, the Ontario Health Services Insurance Plan began as a provincially run and federally assisted (under the federal Medical Care Insurance Act for establishment of a national medicare plan). GBC 17:55, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Quebec's End of Coverage

In this sentence, please note the bold part: "For those Canadian citizens or permanent residents moving to Ontario from another province, the province of previous residency will continue to cover them during the three month waiting period (except Quebec, where coverage only lasts two months after leaving)."

That sentence is not correct. Quebec's coverage ends on the last day of the second month since one leaves the province. Please see: http://www.ramq.gouv.qc.ca/fr/citoyens/assurancemaladie/quitter/exterieur.shtml. Therefore, I removed the phrase in the bracket. 70.53.195.14 (talk) 20:35, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was NO CONSENSUS to move page to OHIP, per discussion below. Our general rules of avoiding abbreviations on one hand, and using common names on the other hand, come into conflict here. In this case, there seems to be strong support for sticking with the former of the two, as OHIP is not sufficiently well-known outside of Ontario. -GTBacchus(talk) 02:23, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Ontario Health Insurance Plan → OHIP — This is the name that it is most commonly known, and WP:NAME convention is to use the most common name. —GreenJoe 03:13, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
  • Oppose. WP:NAME: "Avoid the use of abbreviations, including acronyms, in page naming unless the term you are naming is almost exclusively known only by its abbreviation and is widely known and used in that form. NATO, NASA, laser, radar, and scuba are good examples of acronyms that are commonly thought of as words." I would say that OHIP is most widely known in Ontario by the acronym but not as much outside of its borders. The full name is also preferable given that there are other OHIPs that could be encyclopedic articles. In health care alone: Oral Health Impact Profile (OHIP), Georgia's Office of Health Information and Policy (OHIP), OHIP - Open Health Information Project .... Canuckle 04:08, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose, there is no reason not to simply state the full name of the subject of an article in its title. Paul 11:27, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Support. I respectfully disagree with the opinions put forth by Canuckle and Paul. The Plan is "almost exclusively known only by its abbreviation and is widely known and used in that form". Whether there are other OHIPs in the world is irrelevant to the first step of the analysis -- the mere existence of other uses of the acronym does not automatically render it unusable as a title (NASA also stands for National Auto Sport Association, to name one example, but we still use it as the title for the article on the space agency). The second step is to determine if the Ontario plan is the primary use of the name. My Google search indicates that it is. Every page of search overwhelmingly refers to the Ontario plan, with a scattering of other uses (none of them showing up with any real regularity in the search results). Unlike GreenJoe, I did get one non-Ontario result on my first search page though (an internship program in California). I also note, that unlike the NASA example, we don't have any Wikipedia articles on the other uses of OHIP, and OHIP has always been a redirect to the article on the Ontario plan. As for Paul's position, there is a reason not to state the full name in the title -- we should be using the name by which the plan is most commonly known.

    I support the move, therefore, on the basis that it is easily the most commonly-used name for the subject, it is the dominant use of the acronym, and the existence of any other OHIPs can be addressed through the simple use of a DAB statement at the top of the page. This is a no-brainer. Skeezix1000 15:52, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

  • Support per my comments below. GreenJoe 17:45, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose. It is not WP:NAME convention to use the most common name, it is to avoid abbreviations except if almost exclusively known by the abbreviation. I agree that, in Ontario, OHIP is the common way to refer to it but believe it is far better to have the encyclopedic entry as its full and proper name with OHIP as a redirect, as it stands now. DoubleBlue (Talk) 19:27, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose per WP:NAME. JPG-GR 21:58, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose, avoid abreviations OHIP redirects there now. When I lived in Manitoba nobody knew what and OHIP stood for--Kelapstick 15:27, 26 September 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Discussion

Any additional comments:
  • When I search Google, the Ontario OHIP is the entire first page of search results. GreenJoe 04:39, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Which is not definitive. However, I'd support the continued redirect from OHIP to Ontario Health Insurance Plan over a redirect to OHIP (disambiguation). Canuckle 15:51, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Of course it should be a continued redirect, as there do not appear to be any other OHIP articles. I understand that Google is not definitive, but absent any other evidence, it is pretty good evidence that the Ontario plan is the dominant use of the name. Skeezix1000 16:03, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.