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See A-26 survivors page for new details added yesterday for 41-39221 (N26GT correct regn.) PeterWD (talk) 12:44, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I propose editing the descriptions and specifications to remove the mentions of so-called "Marksman A", "Marksman B" and "Marksman C". This is contentious because almost all references quote those names. The earliest mention is in Janes AWA 1961-62, perhaps written before the first flight (published image is retouched photo of a Marketeer), so not based on hard reality, and subsequent references seem to have copied that uncritically. Later evidence from individual aircraft FAA files indicates that all six civil Marksman conversions had a largely identical specification equivalent to the early proposals quoted for "Marksman C". I will attempt to outline specification/performance differences between the six 'civil' Marksman and the two CIA 'special operations' Marksman, that were about 2000 lb heavier!

Supplementary, for thatguy96?, the images of N46598 in Leeker PDF look to me like the colour scheme was 'insignia' blue, plus white trim areas outlined with black 'pinstripe'. PeterWD (talk) 18:54, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Changed the color scheme bit, and if you have the information feel free to change it around. I think the phrase around here is "be bold" and just remember to cite the relevant sources. -- Thatguy96 (talk) 19:36, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
No problem with PeterWDs suggestion to remove the ABC. We can add the changes/specs of the eight individual Marksman aircraft (with refs) instead. MilborneOne (talk) 13:07, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] N99426

User 80.239.2.3 has inserted a new entry for N99426 in the survivors list of Marksman conversions, no reference quoted.

I purchased a copy of the FAA file for N99426 in January 2008, and I think I'm aware of all the relevant information published in print and online. As far as I am aware, the airframe remains severely damaged by Hurricane Andrew in August 1992 and was subsequently dismantled. Once stored in a shipping container at Van Nuys from 2000 to 2002, it was reported as moved to California City by 2004, no recent news but I suspect it's not accessible and perhaps not restorable.

I believe its inclusion stretches the definition of a survivor considerably, hence this narrative to help deal with any similar future amendments after deletion or annotation to the new entry. PeterWD (talk) 23:31, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

I have removed it for now with reference to PeterWDs summing up - welcome to add back if a reference on its survivabilty is provided. MilborneOne (talk) 14:32, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I've deleted re-insertion of N99426 as above. In Specifications, the Empty Weight for the Special Purpose version does not display on my system, but the source code looks similar to the Range parameters, that is displayed OK. Anyone know how to fix it ? PeterWD (talk) 18:25, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Small tweak to the code looks alright on my screen. Well spotted I missed N99246 being added back. MilborneOne (talk) 19:14, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, I still get Range more OK, but not Empty Weight more, using IE7, tried various resolutions. PeterWD (talk) 23:33, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Empty weight more does not exist in the template so it will never show - done a fix for now need to look at getting it added to Template:Aircraft specifications. MilborneOne (talk) 11:55, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for that, though perhaps the new version looks a bit ambiguous. If the Aircraft Specifications template is to be reviewed, perhaps it should be noted that Wing Loading and Power/Mass are clearly not performance parameters - they are both calculations derived directly from general characteristics. PeterWD (talk) 23:42, 2 June 2008 (UTC)