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[edit] Probably not originated from Swedish, older written reference from Old Norwegian/Icelandic

Ombudsman from (umboðsmaðr, from umboð and maðr). The word was used in "Saga Hákonar Hákonarsonar" of Sturla Þórðarson ca.1260. The word also is to be found in the law book Jónsbók from 1281 and in í Gissurarsáttmáli which was put in law in 1262. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.93.180.131 (talk) 06:30, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Need Info

Is there any information around on the general amount of wages an Ombudsperson gets? It's information that would come in handy for me, and anybody who has a good guestimate should add it to this. 192.160.64.49 02:15, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm an Australian Ombudsman officer (the term Ombudsperson is not technically correct) and I could give you some info about this at the Federal level - but this wouldn't necessarily apply to other offices. wiki@rowland.id.au 203.20.130.18 04:30, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alternative Translations

There seem to exist some other English translations for the Swedish ombudsmen than the ones provided on this page. The following are the translations given on the English versions of the official sites of the respective ombudsmen offices:

  • HomO, Ombudsman against Discrimination on grounds of Sexual Orientation
  • JämO, Equal Opportunities Ombudsman
  • Barnombudsmannen, Children's Ombudsman


(Handikappombudsmannen, The Disability Ombudsman, and DO, The Ombudsman against ethnic discrimination, on the other hand, are the same as those given here.) Maybe we want to change those here? Or not? Maybe there are several versions out there, and no official agreement on them, I don't know. Anyway, I've used the terms "Ombudsman against Discrimination on grounds of Sexual Orientation" and "Equal Opportunities Ombudsman" in my new HomO article and on the Homo disambiguation page, but I'll be quite happy to change that if somebody wants me to (Mic?). Bishonen 13:18, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Norway

What about Norwegian ombudsmenn? I don't really know anything about them, but it would be great if someone could add a section on ombudsmenn in Norway.

historically it is not a Swedish word, the Norwegians had the use of this position and word earlier than the swedes. I am sorry to say that i cant prove this now, but i will come back to it. i will find the word in snorre's sagas from norway. and post it later. the word and position of ombudsman is of norwegian and not swedish origin

Re:Talk about contradiction, first of all you source a old norse saga not an Norwegian one, second ombudsman is a Swedish word, ombudsmenn is norwegian but the Swedish version, ombudsman is used in English. Hence theres nothing to discuss is there? - Oskar

What you're saying is silly. Ombudsmenn is simply the plural form of ombudsmann. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.167.96.196 (talk) 19:17, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sweden

The Swedish section begins: "In 1713 King Charles XII of Sweden, preoccupied with fighting the Great Northern War, was residing in Bendery and had not set foot in Sweden in over a"

WTF? --Jumbo 06:24, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ombuds

I overwrote a real rdr over the soft rdr (or the first halting attempt at inventing Dabs) named Ombuds, and saved this text:

For more on Ombuds, see Ombudsman, or Organizational ombudsman. Related also to Alternative dispute resolution, Mediation and Negotiation.

I'd bet its author would have used a rdr if they'd known how, and that all that content is duplicated here, but i haven't checked. Whoever does check should note their opinion so others don't repeat their effort.
--Jerzy•t 03:41, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] UK Ombudsman - Parliamentary and Health Service Ombudsman

Would it be sensible to extract the extensive sections on the workings of the UK Ombudsman into a new article headed Parliamentary Commissioner for Administration? This would tidy this article and enable more effective searches for PCA etc. --leaky_caldron 20:09, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Done; see Parliamentary and Health Service Ombudsman. Ombudsman 21:30, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. Didn't expect such a quick response. Do you agree that the list still in the original article should be either moved or copied to the new page?--leaky_caldron 21:48, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Not sure at all what to do with the list, as the other ombuds offices don't exactly seem to fall under the auspices of the Parliamentary Ombudsman. Perhaps a list article will be necessary sooner or later, after articles for the many UK ombuds offices, such as one for the Local Government Ombudsman, are started. Speaking of which, an article on the Local Government Ombudsman Watch group[1] needs to be started, too. Ombudsman 23:44, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Wow, you guys sure moved fast. I only typed all the addenda to the UK ombudsman shortly before christmas. --Will.S 13:27, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] speedy deletion.

The user 24.65.55.93 who put this up for deletion has only been making edits that change the words "man" and "men" to "person" and "people," respectively. I think this is a bad-faith deletion. - Zepheus 00:08, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Muslim concept?

I doubt the ombudsman originaly was a muslim concept if it was a muslim concept then there should be proper sources to prove so, otherwise this is just another example of nationalistic POV.

A prototype of modern ombudsmen flourished in China during Qin Dynasty (221 BC), and in Korea during the Choseon Dynasty.[citation needed] The Romans also grappled with the problem, but it was the example of the second Muslim Caliph, Umar (634-644) and the concept of Qadi al-Qadat (developed in the Muslim world), which influenced the Swedish King, Charles XII. In 1713, fresh from self-exile in Turkey, Charles XII created the Office of Supreme Ombudsman, which soon became the Chancellor of Justice. A parallel institution, the Parliamentary Ombudsman, was later established by the Riksdag, and it was this that the Scandinavian countries subsequently moulded into its contemporary form.