Talk:Old Europe

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[edit] Regime

  • It may be true that Bush Régime is more politically laden than Bush administration, but especially in combination with this article it is the right term. The term régime is normally used for dictators and unlawful governments, such as those that rise to power by election fraud, or those dictators which try and abolish (parts of) the constitution. Furthermore amongst certain circles (the same ones which feel Old Europe is meant to be applied to them) Bush Régime is the standard term, rather than Bush Administration. Reverting. --Jor 12:55, Dec 31, 2003 (UTC)
  • "Bush regime" is not a neutral term. See the NPOV policy. --Maximus Rex 13:02, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)
  • Very well. I've no desire to turn this into some holy war, a re-edit should suffice. --Jor 13:15, Dec 31, 2003 (UTC)
  • I don't see a problem with using the word regime for any form of government, IMO it is a synonym. It can be a dictatorial as well as a parlamentarial / presidential democratic regime / form of government. Further reference: --Regime. 2005-04-30 1840 CEST


[edit] You have a section on antecedents ...

...where you quote a previous use by Karl Marx. Here is another antecedent quoted in "The American Conservative" that could be worth including: http://www.amconmag.com/06_30_03/feature.html. See last paragraph:

As Ledeen shows, the Italian fascists expressed their desire “to tear down the old order” (his words from 2002) in terms that are curiously anticipatory of a famous statement in 2003 by the Defense Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld. In 1932, Asvero Gravelli also divided Europe into “old” and “new” when he wrote, in Towards the Fascist International, “Either old Europe or young Europe. Fascism is the gravedigger of old Europe. Now the forces of the Fascist International are rising.”


[edit] Unargumented removal of this page

  • This page is about "Old Europe" in its political meaning (Rumsfeld and others in past and present; see for instance the EUobserver webpage). A lot of wikipedia pages link to this page for the use of the term in that meaning. --RoLeoVers 14:54, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
I agree this article need work. The article is on propaganda term coined by second Bush administration. It should replaced with an article with the more normal use of term with a note about the Bush administration's use at the end. The term “Old Europe” is most used to describe Europe before the French Revolution of 1789; similar in meaning to Ancien Régime or also Europe before 1914. -- Doktor Faustus 6 December 2007 —Preceding comment was added at 20:48, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edit war

Stop edit warring and discuss. There is inherent bias in both sides of the edit war, one side adding unsourced opinions, the other removing SOME unsourced facts and leaving others in. If you get really stuck, request mediation. +Hexagon1 (t) 05:28, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Inaccurate citation

Reference is made to a book "American: The Book" by John Steward. This probably refers to "America: The Book" by Jon Stewart. 83.78.57.189