Talk:Oil exploration in Puntland
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[edit] GA failed
This article has a long way to go to reach GA, unfortunately
- I'm afraid this article doesnt even have an opening sentence, let alone a lead
- The key players section needs to be expanded to a get a more historical perspective of oil politics in the region, rather than just a list of parties to the negotiations
- When was oil first discovered here
- Large sections are unsourced with no references
- The references need to be fully filled out with things like publisher date, author, see {{cite web}} among others
- The article should not be written in present tense like a live play-by-play sports commentary
- Why is a fiar use image being stored on commons and used in this article
- The prose needs to be tightened up substantially
- The date formats are inconsistent
- scare quotes:Dr. Abdirahman Farole, is "relieved" of his duty -> POV without a source
- Sources needed for content that implies invovlement of living people in suspicious deaths
- Why does it use "$...USD" -> "dollars US dollars"
- Why are people constantly referred to by their nicknames with quote marks around them
Best regards, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:22, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
- Oil has not been discovered in Puntland in commercial quantities. People here seem to forget that. TastyCakes (talk) 05:32, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Criticisms
The article is NOT expanding the greater context of the situation is Somali. The fact that Somalia does not have a fully functional government that can legally sign contracts with Oil companies should be stated. Also, it should be stated the prospect of OIL is prelonging the suffering of Somali people for warlords are fighting over these resources. This is a BLOOD OIL. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abdicrm (talk • contribs) 17:32, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
- Well first there is no oil yet, bloody or otherwise. Second, Puntland does have a relatively stable government, and these deals were signed with the consent of the national governing bodies as well, ineffective as they are at present. Third, this is a desperately poor part of the world. Are you suggesting they should not be allowed to exploit their natural resources to try and improve their lot in life? Should they have to wait until the outside world deems them "stable" or "transparent" enough to "deserve" that? Because I think you'll find such thinking becomes something of a Catch 22. Further, I don't think it's clear that oil is what's causing the friction between these regions and clans, at lesat not all of it. 128.83.167.129 (talk) 18:57, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Puntland isn't a recogonised country. It's a piece of land taken over by a warlords that pretends to be democratic. Somaliland is more democratic. Puntland has no right to sign a deal. The only one who does is the TFG and half vast majority of the Somali people hate them with pure anger don't believe they are the right ones. Adding Oil to the mix is only going to fuel the tradegy of this nation. Oil in Africa has never been a good thing. In fact having Oil is one of the worsting that can happen to a non arab african nation. It will lead to corruption,instability and coups. Add that to Somali a country which barely exists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.69.77.223 (talk) 16:47, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
- "you predict". Of course you have no way of actually "knowing". And again, the deals were signed with the TFG as well as Puntland's. 128.83.167.129 (talk) 20:07, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Well first of all. Puntland isn't stable. Their intelligence agents are being killed by people who they are meant to catch. The Islamic Courts Union are walking around there Puntland. Arms are entering the area and they can't even do anything at all. They are right next to the Pirates base yet in the there has only been four attempts to arrest them. Once by Puntland, once by the French and twice by the Islamic Courts. This state in a state is fracturing at this moment. The Islamic Courts have moved in right next to them and they haven't even been able to do anything about it. Somaliland has taken the opportunity to attack them and take some land they claim is there. They denied what happened and when it was revealed to the Somalis in the world who have access to the internet ( a surprisingly large amount for a country in Africa) they said they would take back their land in January. They've failed.
The only reason why they have been "allowed" to go on with the deal is because the TFG is split. The President who used to rule the state wants them to go on with the deal while the Prime minster and the other MPs are against it since it undermines the Transitional government. To cap it all off. Puntland MPs have been stealing money meant to develop their state. They just had an emergency meeting to find out where the money went. Imagine what will happen if there is oil. They would have access to millions of dollars. Do you really think they would improve their record? The oil companies don't care about how money is spent has long has they can extract oil. Look at Nigeria. Furious Stormrage (talk) 01:38, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
- Pretty much. The fact that African Oil and Range have their own private army to protect their rig site just makes things even more bizarre. --Ingoman (talk) 20:44, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
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- Yeah it's pretty pathetic that this is allowed to happen. If the international community made sure that their companies acted ethically and some of the money was at least spent on the country. They would save themselves billions in aid money. All though the biggest blame lies in my people ruining every chance they are given. Furious Stormrage (talk) 22:11, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
This whole article is almost comically misinformed, exaggerated, one sided and poorly written. I am stunned that someone had the tenacity to nominate this for good article status. TastyCakes (talk) 04:39, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
- Hey thanks :)
- In my defence, I seem to have been the only person on Wikipedia who bothered to write anything about it at all. --Ingoman (talk) 05:36, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
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- I looked at the history, most of the stuff that really annoyed me (eg the NSUM stuff) was by some anonymous ip, likely in Africa. I think you've been doing your best to put in good information with what is a bunch of misinformation put out by so called news sources in Somalia and elsewhere. This is obvious a very murky region. But for the record, I think Garowe Online in particular is particularly untrustworthy. TastyCakes (talk) 05:43, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
