Talk:Oh My Goddess!/Archive 4

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Voice cast

I've added a bit more information on the voice cast based on what I've found on the Japanese Wikipedia. There it noted different seiyuu for the TV series on The Almighty and on Chrono, Ere, and Ex, so I put them down in the table.

There seems to be a little confusion on the TV seiyuu for Ere and Ex, though. Japanese Wikipedia has Chiemi Chiba voicing Ere and Yoko Honna voicing Ex. I had found before on Ryu's Seiyuu Infos that it showed the other way around, and my searching of Japanese sites with Google doesn't seem to show any consistency either. One seiyuu database I check, Les voix des Anges, has both Ex and Ere listed on both Yoko Honna and Chiemi Chiba profiles. I haven't watched the TV series in any form yet, but I guess this comes from some kind of mishap with the TV credits. Anyone have the series and have a good ear for Honna's or Chiba's voices, and can tell which is which? I decided to enter in the way it was on the Japanese version of Wikipedia, as I guess having it in one way was better than listing the Movie seiyuu for them. The possible spread of inaccurate information bothers me, so I hope it can be clarified, though.

Lastly, it listed a seiyuu for Hild, "Gara Takashima (Game)". I found that the game is Quiz: Ah! My Goddess from checking the Seiyuu Database, so I added the appropriate information for Hild's and Gara Takashima's entries. Should she be listed on the main table, too, even though she hasn't voiced her in any anime adaptations? EmperorBrandon 06:48, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

I think thats approporate. :) --Cat out 06:11, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Template change proposal

Not as big and not as untidy. It unites the articles together under one. --Kunzite 01:08, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Template:Oh My Goddess/change

I oppose this idea. There is a reason why 3 templates are used on this article rather than one. If you look at any of the linked articles only one of the three templates appear. I also find the current version more tidy. --Cat out 20:14, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
I know that only one of the templates appear on the various sub articles. However, if you have a series of articles, I feel that all articles should be represented in the series box.
What's the reason that there are three templates? Is it not better to have all articles linked from the same page as they are all part of the same series? Even if the templates were kept separate, they're still in need of clean-up. With everything in bold, it breaks the feature that tells what page you're on. (That title is bolded and unlinked.) Also, there is way too much whitespace in the table.
We can get rid of some of these excess characters in here as well. After I finish with my Sailor Moon mergers, I'll help clean up here with some minor character merge proposals. --Kunzite 20:40, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
The reason we have 3 templates is simple. Relevancy. An article talking about a spesific Oh My Goddess! episode does not need to link to all of the characters. However linking to all characters on an article talking about a character is only logical. So the reason is relevancy. Providing the user with a flood of links will confiuse them. It surely confiuses me. Thats why I do not like templates that are cramed up.
I do not mind templates undergoing a cleanup. I just dont want them to be cramed up. Do note that sometimes the templates are compressed such as on stub articles which is why they are spaced out so much.
We are not getting rid of "excess characters". I am not much of an article writer, but I know there is lots to be written about all those "minor" side characters. We should be focusing on expanding articles, not deleteing them.
--Cat out 21:10, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Hmm maybe we can merge both ideas... --Cat out 20:39, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Ah! My Goddess should redirect

I don't see any reason why Ah! should be a disam. page instead of a simple redirect considering how everything that the Ah! page links to is linked in this page as well. I went ahead and changed it but I felt it needed mentioning her as it seems that it has been a redirect page in the past.--SeizureDog 05:44, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Moved ah-vs-oh down again

Dear CoolCat,

You wrote "naming is more important than the plot. (first thing people will need to understand from the article is that series have multiple names), then what inspired the series, then plot, then etc".

"Naming is more important than plot."

I just have to disagree with you on this one. I hardly know what to say to someone who really believes that, but I'll try.

If you had to pick any one point to get across to the reader, be it plot, name, nordic references, staff etc. what point would that be?

  1. OMG is a series about a college freshman, who, because of his pure heart, has been chosen by God's computer system to receive a single wish. An angel-like goddess is sent down to ask for his wish, and he wishes for Belldandy to stay with him forever, which she does gladly. etc.
  2. OMG is a series also known as AMG because of problems translating the original title. The translations have led to a great deal of debate and flamewars amongst English-speaking anime fans during the early 1990s. etc.
  3. OMG is a series influenced by Nordic mythology. The main characters for example have been named after Nordic deities. etc.
  4. OMG is a series featuring the following seiyuu: etc.

I really do hope you understand that to people who don't know the series the ah-vs-oh debate is of very little consequence indeed. As long as you don't know what a series is about this debate is simply not interesting at all. Even if you do know what this series is about, even, in fact, if you're a fanboy, it's a bit of trivia, nothing more.

The primary question any article should answer is: "what is this?" If we return to my little list for a moment, #2 could equally well refer to any number of books and movies; in other words, it isn't really an answer or good definition at all.

If you have the ability to monopolize your audience you might go for tactically saving some bits for last, but for a webpage or reference book that is just not possible. Most readers tend to read from top to bottom and if they lose interest they close the browser window (or book) and go somewhere else. It's that simple.

While the actual position of the oh-vs-ah section may be the subject of some debate, I contend that any sensible person would at least put it somewhere below the plot and nordic-influences sections. I don't plan on starting a revert war with you (or anyone else for that matter) so if you do, I'll file for a mediation request. Of course the exact location of the ah-vs-oh debate is open to debate.

Yours faithfully, Shinobu 03:42, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Plot section is visible with little scrolling as well as on the TOC box. For the reader it won't matter where it is.
Naming of a series is not Trivia. The OVA/Manga beared the official title Oh My Goddess!, Ah! My Goddes was the title of the movie and the recent TV series as the title Ah! My Goddess! All of these are the official titles. Info regarding alternative names generaly are presented in lead, however the complex nature of the issue requires a section.
After done with the naming rest of the sections are ordered per importance with the exeption of 3 sections (References, See also, External links) which come last respectively.
--Cat out 19:00, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
But.. the alternate names are already included in the lead. I personally feel that this information is relevant only to hardcore fans of the show and should be relegated to the note section. See: InuYasha. Shinobu's lower placement in the article is also an OK option. It's not something to include over plot. (I, personally, was confused when I first read this article as it seemed like that it was a disambig page because there was all of this information about naming of the series.) --Kunzite 01:03, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
A diambiguation page does not have an infobox. Name of the series is something that had prompted copyright/trademark issues. Changes in the official title is NOT cruft.
Plot is the least relevant thing in an encyclopedic article. Why is Oh My Goddess! significant compared to other anime? It's complicated naming is one of the reasons. Norse referances is another. Plot is significant, just not as significant in my view. However perhaps naming can be placed after norse referances tho I want to keep the norse stuff next to the plot --Cat out 14:14, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Blindly reverting me will not yield a solution. I will file for a mediation request. Shinobu 00:46, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Blindly reverting means I revert w/o posting a talk response... The diference in time index isn't several seconds only because I carefully considered your standing and wrote a response before reverting... --Cat out 14:14, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

MedCab Case - I spoke with Cool Cat earlier and he'd already decided that it was in the best interests of all involved to simply not argue, so I've moved the case to "in mediation" with a status of "Resolved". If anyone has any questions, please feel free to contact me. Thank you. ~Kylu (u|t) 15:41, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

@Blindly reverting: I'm sorry if I sounded more grumpy than I was - it wasn't meant as bad as it might appear. Shinobu 22:27, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
No problem, I reccomend we forget about this minor issue and focus on bettering the article. --Cat out 22:59, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Video Games/Other Media Section?

A New PS2 video game came out last week for AMG, and I'd add the info myself if not for two things. 1) I know very little about the game, as I can't read the website (http://www.mmv.co.jp/special/game/ps2/megami/), and 2) This isn't the first game to come out for the series, so in light of that fact and the Soundtracks section (and the mention of a novel right below this topic), would it be possible to create a section entitled "Other Media" to list all the non-manga/anime AMG...things? Xenon Zaleo 10:39, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Novel

Would someone have some info on that, please ? http://eg.nttpub.co.jp/news/20060605_15.html

Article for deletion

Before you jump and think Oh My Goddess! is up for deletion, it isnt. Kiddy Grade is, but unfortunately the discussion has started to critise this article too. And in order to delete the Kiddy Grade articles they would have to do the same here. It is of note because, obviously, you don't want that to happen.

This is quote from one of the people: "I don't want to be rude and please don't take this is gnawing the newbies or assuming ill intentions of an editor. I don't, it's not the editor, it's the culture. But there has been a pervasive explosion of these character articles in Anime articles. They contain little chunks of information, but only seem to exist to hold an image and an infobox on the character and to fill out a character navagation template... I have half a mind to say delete the lot of them and start from scratch .. but I'd only push for that if we could throw in the similarly formatted character articles from OMG, IY, and Tenchi as well. They were all created in the same manner, and it's not well suited to the wikipedia. First off, they contain way too many pictures and (some of them) seem to only exist because an infobox was able to be created for the article. But, I will not be mean to the information and I will push for a SUPER speedy merge These articles fall under the auspices of the WP:FICTION which give a wonderful steps on how to create such pages. Also, a aticle like Eclair and Lumiere (Kiddy Grade) contains WAY too many photos and is a definite violation of the fair use policy. It needs a lot of trimming regardless of the outcome of this debate. I would vote to Delete the Kiddy Grade Infobox and navigation templates, if I could."

The discussion is here

--Crampy20 09:48, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm getting sick of this, why is it that anime and game articles are going for the chop. There is no logic for why they are disapearing without proper reason. First most of the command and conquer articles, now this!?

I am having big fears that Wikipedia will fall under fire again.-Dynamo_ace Talk

I love the smell of napalm. :)
I have initiated a discussion on Wikipedia talk:Notability (fiction) and how its violating Wikipedia talk:Stub.
--Cat out 11:39, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
I want wikipedia to fall under fire becuase of this, it pisses me off. sigh. These are all articles legible for deletion, if only i had enough time to AfD them all... And there are still many many many more. Abra Absol Aerodactyl Aggron Aipom Alakazam Altaria Amaldo [What follows is basically a list of every pokemon and some random anime characters Addps4cat] --Crampy20 16:53, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Please don't spam the talk page Addps4cat 17:10, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
see: WP:POINT. --Cat out 17:16, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
It isn't spam, it's used to make a point. Spam is advertisement in all forms and all definitions (except DoS, which that wasn't either), that wasn't. But i won't rv it, i get tired of people rv'ing pages because they think they understand policy. *sigh* --Crampy20 22:53, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Ok how about this. I kindly ask you not to post every pokemon known to exist on this talk page about Oh My Goddess! anime as all of it is completely irrelevant. --Cat out 00:21, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Don't disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point. I was being sarcastic about the deletion. Seriously, there are many OMG articles that need to be merged to follow the style guides at WP:FICTION. I've proposed this several times. We don't need articles on every single minor character or bit of minutia that is produced within a series. For other interested parties, you can find further debate on Fictional articles at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(fiction) --Kunzite 03:41, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

This is hot, "character popularity poll" has concluded

I think the official competition (translation) has concluded. The competition was basicaly an online poll of fans favorite characters. Belldandy for instance was voted #1, no suprise there.

In any case this info can be incorporated into character articles. I just am not certain how to do it. We could use the infobox or add it in as trivia. What do you guys think?

--Cat out 02:06, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

  • One Piece character articles just put it in trivia. I think that works out best. Danny Lilithborne 02:11, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Add to trivia?

I just watched Season 1, File 40 ("Dangerous Date") of Fujishima's You're Under Arrest (Taiho Shichauzou). In this episode, the bagpipe tune that plays in the background of the amusement park, sounds uncannily similar to the opening theme (also with bagpipes) of the second TV series Ah! My Goddess: Everyone Has Wings (Aa! Megami-sama: Sorezore no Tsubasa).

Can anyone confirm this? Add to trivia?

xjaymanx 05:30, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

V.a. table

Currently there are still "x"'s and "v"'s in table cells for anime wherein the corresponding character never spoke. I think it would probably be better to have these cells empty. In fact, I'm having my doubts on the usefulness of this table as it stands. Except in a few cases this is essentially a who played in what anime list, and there are only a few cases where one chara was played by multiple v.a.'s. Currently the list is not particularly clear/helpful. Shinobu 16:46, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

I find the table helpful, if you have a better idea feel free to suggest.
Those charcters had manga only appearances. son an "n" is only approporate. "n" represents that the character did not have a voice actor on that spesific series.
--Cat out 17:02, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Ah! or Oh!, again

At the risk of starting some giant war over what is almost just a nitpick, shouldn't Oh! My Goddess redirect into Ah! My Goddess instead of the other way around? I say this because in the Ah! or Oh! section, Fujishima says that it should probably stay as Ah! for consistency. Further, the only media to use the Oh! My Goddess name is the Dark Horse Manga and the OVA. Both of which were named, what, ten years ago? Also, all the more recent media has used Ah!, both the movie and the TV series. It may not be a big deal, but looking through the archives I noticed that it was never discussed.Xenon Zaleo 10:39, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

"ah" is the reading of the Japanese Hiragana symbol while "Oh!" is the usual English 'translation' of the utterance. In a way, they are *both* correct useage. Fujishima, when he later learned of the English phrase "Oh my God!" said that was the sense he had intended (as in "Oh My Goddess!!!") but by this time most of the English translations were using "Ah" which is simply the writing of the sound of the hiragana symbol in our alphabet. In other words, what you are seeing here is the difficulty of translating from one language to another. And its one of those things like a dog chasing its own tail where we can debate for the rest of time which is the most "correct." I think it is never discussed, as you say, for this very reason. There is no "correct" answer, except to say that "Ah" is the closest we can get to the original Japanese sounding (albeight not the closest morphological English meaning) and I guess that's the convention that everyone has decided to use in order to keep people's head exploding pondering it. :-) Yanqui9 20:54, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
I understand the history and why it's the way it is, but that still doesn't answer my original question. Oh! is certainly closer to the original meaning.....but it's also used only in the Manga, and this is likely because Dark Horse has had the license for so long. So I come back to my original question. Due to Fujishima saying that things should be Ah! for consistency and given that every license since the OVA has been Ah!, should this article still be Oh! instead of ah (currently, Ah! My Goddess redirects here, I'm proposing that instead, Oh! My Goddess would redirect to Ah! My Goddess with all the current information).Xenon Zaleo 05:45, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I am confused, because if the official DVD releases say "Ah!" and the creator agrees with the "Ah!" camp, then why is this article still titled "Oh!"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.118.193.129 (talk) 21:46, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Could be classified as "harem anime"?

Just wondering if Ah! My Goddess should be added under harem anime. I believe it should, since it generally fits the criteria. ie. Male surrounded by many females all interested in him romantically at one point or another.

I would agree, although it's not the an arch-type of harem it certainly has all of the common ingredients. I'll add it to the harem page. MkDoyle 11:30, 14 May 2007 (UTC)