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[edit] Bad example given

Santiago, Chile experiences a Mediterranean climate (similar to southern California). The southern part of Chile, however, is a better example for this maritime climate- although there are no notable cities to cite.

[edit] Merger Discusion

Merge proposed by user:Bluap
'13:17, 7 March 2006 Bluap (+merge)' — user talk:Bluap
  1. Just MOVED newbie created: 'The Cool Western Temperate Maritime Climate' to empty alt. term already referenced in article text 'Marine west coast climate' on naming convention grounds. Asked for a speedy-D on the auto-created redirect remainder.
  2. Believe the article contents are redundant, and perhaps over general

So,Support Merging, unless there is a considerable use of the alternate term. FrankB 18:06, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

These two articles are descriping the same climate, so I support Merging. Orcaborealis 20:07, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


_________________ What about Berlin? Isn't the climate there oceanic, even though it's a ways inland?

Berlin has a in-between climate, but slightly more oceanic, because there are no real mountain ranges to block the mild, humid air from the Atlantic.Orcaborealis 22:01, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] San Francisco reference

The articles currently says: San Francisco, California has a temperature range characteristic of an oceanic climate but so little rainfall during a summer almost indistinguishable from its winter by temperature that it must be considered part of a Mediterranean climate zone. This is insightful and perhaps it should be noted in mediterranean climate. Of interest, the inverse is true of Victoria, Canada, since it is clearly in a West Coast/ Oceanic regime but exhibits some mediterranean climate characteristics due to rain shadows- namely, relatively dry (but cool) summers. 66.183.217.31 23:55, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eastern Washington and Oregon?

The article mentions Patagonia as a dry Oceanic climate. Isn't eastern Washington and Oregon a dry oceanic climate for the exact same reasons (That is, lying east of a mountain range that causes a rainshadow)? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.57.220.63 (talk) 00:31, 10 February 2007 (UTC).

Both Patagonia and eastern Oregon/Washington are rainshadow semideserts in lowlands and should be treated as such. They can be discussed in the context of oceanic climates for temperature range only if they are recognized as cool steppes (BSk). --Paul from Michigan 03:38, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Source of term Oceanic

I can't seem to find much about the use of the word "Oceanic" to describe this climate. Can someone point me to a source? I've found a few sources that use the term "Oceanic", but mostly in a very general sense that would include a lot more than "Marine west coast". I like the term "Oceanic" better than "Marine west coast", since not all such climate regions are on west coasts. But I'm wondering where the term comes from. Pfly 06:43, 15 April 2007 (UTC) I guess that means you think -3C should be the c/d border. So do I. I like the term "oceanic." Press olive, win oil (talk) 19:23, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cwb and Cfc

I'm confused by the mention of tropical highlands, which are mentioned twice but not really explained. Is it the Cwb climate type? The Köppen climate classification page says places like Mexico City are Cwb, and that Cfb climates include places like Bogotá, Colombia. I can believe that under a strict Köppen system places like this would get classed this way, but does it make sense to call them "Marine west coast climate" and "maritime climate", as this page says "Oceanic climate" is synonymous with? The altitude of Mexico City and Bogotá may make for similar temperature and precipitation patterns, but other climatic factors associated with "Marine west coast climate", like midlatitude westerlies blowing over oceans, doesn't make sense for these tropical places. Should I edit it so the tropical statements are indicated as specific to Köppen's system and not typical of the climate as a regional zone of many factors? Pfly 06:43, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of countries

Wonder if it would be a good idea to show a list of countries or regions with this climate? Paddy Reilly from Cavan, 21:23, 17th August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alps in Italy

The Alps in Italy only have a climate between the Oceanic Climate and the Hemiboreal Climate between 700 and 1000 meters. For exemple, Tarvisio(750mtrs), where the winter's averages are -2.9°C, and the summer's 17°C. If the city in the Alps is above 1000 meters we find Hemiboreal Climates, (1000~1600), like in Dobbico, that is colder than Oslo and Helsink, with averages of -4.8°C during the winter and 16°C during the summer. Between 1600 and 2200 mtrs, Sub-Artic Climate, like northermost Norway. Rolle Pass's averages are -5.2°C and 11°C. Between 2200 and 3600, tundra climate, as in Pian Rosa (summer= 1.8°C, winter= -11.8°C). Above 3600 meters trere is a perpetual frost climate, EF, as Capanna Regina Margherita, where the averages are -18°C and -6°C.

So, I think it's wrong to say that Italian's Alps are 'between' Oceanic and Hemiborel climate. It depends on how high the place is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.100.188.204 (talk) 03:47, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Oceanic Climates in India

"Mountainous locations in some tropical countries (e.g. Indian subcontinent, Latin America, south-east Asia, southern and central Africa; often as cwb)"

Where on the Indian subcontinent do oceanic climates exist? What mountainous locations can it be found in? Is the climate (as well as the mountainous locations where they can be found) only found exclusively in the deep North? Zachorious 07:06, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Atacama desert

I don't think the Atacama desert is a proper example of an oceanic rainshadow. I believe it's more similar to Namibia or Baja California, which are caused by a very different effect. Notably, the Atacama is WEST of the mountains, not east as in Columbia Basin or Patagonia oceanic rainshadows. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.212.27.154 (talk) 05:24, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cfb above Cfa?

Is this correct, that some highland areas above humid subtropical areas (i.e. the southern Appalachians) fall in Cfb? I always thought the C-D line (coldest month below 0°C/32°F) was below the a-b line (warmest month above 22°C/72°F), but maps seem to suggest otherwise. CrazyC83 (talk) 15:41, 23 January 2008 (UTC)