Talk:Ocean rowing
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[edit] Removal of paragraphs on Uppsala 2 Aug 2007
Just to explain why I removed the two long paragraphs on Uppsala.
This is an article on ocean rowing in general, with references to the races that form the backbone of the sport, and brief references to key individuals and rows. The level of (unreferenced) detail in the two Uppsala paragraphs was inappropriate. For that level of detail, start a new article altogether on the Uppsala crossing, and put a link there from the ocean rowing article.
However, comments like 'The most famous Atlantic crossing in modern day style' are pretty wild claims. I am an avid ocean rowing fan and have been involved in several races, and I do not consider this to be anywhere near the most famous crossing. Comments like this need to be substantiated.
It was clearly an interesting crossing, but give it a seperate article and put down references and source material. If it is famous, put links to newspaper articles and news reports to substantiate it's fame.
Other advice:
1. You haven't even put the date of the crossing. When you rewrite this as a seperate article with references, make sure you include basic information like that.
2. You make reference to events such as having to handpump water as though this were unique. Many crossing have had watermaker problems and had to hand pump water. Soem boats have set out with only a handpump.
3. Many of the 'hardships' listed have been experienced by other rowers (storms, lack of food and water, jellyfish stings, shark attacks, damaged hulls, storms, man overboard...). These do not make this crossing a uniquely famous one.
4. You refer to 3 unofficiial Guinness Records. Firstly - what are they? I am very interested. Secondly, if they are unofficial, then they are not Guinness Records. You should refer to them as unofficial World Records. Hope all this helps.
5. You write: "At one point the had to work for 3 weeks before going back to sleap". I don;t understand - are you saying they stayed awake for 3 weeks without sleeping?
6. You write: "The voyage has been called the "worst successful ocean crossing in modern day"". Who has called it this? Please put references.
I'm not trying to be negative, only trying to help.
Good luck Wikifellow 07:40, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Two Eras?
Just questioning 'The first 12 ocean rows are considered "Historic Ocean rows" within the sport'.
Is this a widely held belief? In Colin Quincey's book he details the twelve ocean crossings that went before him, the last being Quesnel's crossing in December 1976. Quincey's attempt, the 13th deliberate crossing by his count, was underway two months later. As far as technology goes, Quincey had a solar panel, emergency radio bleeper, emergency radio telephone and transistor radio. He navigated using astro-fixes and a sextant. -SmokeySteve (talk) 07:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Re. Two Eras
The concept of the two eras is quite widely accepted among ocean rowing circles.
The Ocean Rowing Society say:
"The first 12 completed oceanrows were all undertaken without water makers, without sat phones, without GPS, EPIRB and liferafts. In fact, to quote Geoff Allum : "The first oceanrows were done under conditions that were not much different from the days of Columbus"
If I find the time to find this actual quote from the ORS website, I'll include it in the article and refernece it. Anyone else is welcome to do so.
Wikifellow (talk) 20:22, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Tasman Sea crossings
Thanks for the reference Wikifellow.
Do you and others think the Tasman sea crossings can be included on the Ocean Rowing page? Obviously crossing the Tasman (about 2200km) is only partly crossing the Pacific Ocean, I guess this is why it has been left off the Ocean Rowing Society's list. On the other hand, the same is true of USA to Hawaii (albeit twice as far) and these crossings have been included. -SmokeySteve (talk) 07:43, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
