Talk:Nuclear weapons delivery

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Media:Small TextHi all,

Hope you don't give a shit me adding a bit of speculation to this page. Over the last several years (2001-2005) there have been occasional news snippets about clandestine Russian tests that look like the Russians might be testing scramjet or other hypersonic missile technology. It is pure speculation on my part, but I remember that when Bush made the announcement that the US would be withdrawing from the ABM treaty, a few weeks prior or afterwards, there was another news blub about a Russian test. Nobody really seems to have picked up on these tests in the media for whatever reason, although if you google you can find the articles. It should be clear that a truly hypersonic delivery system mated with a nuclear device would be an ace in the hole for Russia; it would bypass anti-ballistic missile technology and make the fact that the US dropped out of the ABMT a moot point.

Petwil

• Petwil, Wikipedia is not a place for speculation, but well-researched facts. If you cannot cite the information to a reputable source, it cannot be on Wikipedia. See our policy at WP:CITE. --Fastfission 03:25, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

• Fastfission: It is a fact that there have been numerous reports of these tests in well-respected newspapers, and it is also a fact that it doesn't take more than a couple of neurons to rub together to see the potential implications of this. I don't see the harm in speculating on these things if it is clearly pointed out that it is, in fact, speculation. But, if this is proscribed by Wiki policy, then so be it. Petwil 03:47, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

• Just to confirm what Fastfission said: it is policy here. Harsh, but the line has to be drawn somewhere or things would get out of control. DV8 2XL 04:02, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

• No problem at all. Thanks, DV8 2XL. Just like a little courtesy, that's all :). Petwil 04:26, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

• P.S. On an unrelated note, does the page on critical mass need to have a discussion of critical density? Currently critical density just redirects to cosmology (the big crunch). (er, I don't know where I'm supposed to put this since I don't know how often people read Talk:Critical mass, and I don't spend much of my time doing Wikipedia stuff so I'm a bit of a novice.....) Petwil 05:35, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

• • I've no problem with included things that other, well-respected sources have said. Just cite the sources and attribute the analysis when you add the information, that's all -- that way nobody can get on WP's case if it is wrong (we are just reporting what others have said). The two policies relating to this are WP:NOR (No Original Research) and WP:CITE (Cite Your Sources), just for reference. I apologize if I came off curtly before, we just get a lot of people posting goofy stuff on the nuclear-related pages at times, and anything self-consciously labeled as speculation looks like a red-flag to me. ;-) --Fastfission 19:22, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Again I'll back up Fastfission, some days we do get a little trigger-happy, and with reason. Hang around the Nuke pages long enough and you will be too. DV8 2XL 19:49, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

• • • I'm sure of that, DV8 2XL. And thanks to both of you - just got my feathers a little ruffled, but you are right Fastfission that that contribution was rank speculation on my part. Course, it is in the nature of nukes in particular to be speculative. In fact, I am quite sure that a substantial fraction of the info on these pages would be marked as classified by any ADC. For example, the only thing a nuke designer is allowed to tell you about weapons design is that there are two parts: The primary, and the secondary. That's it. Anyway I'll check out the policy in detail before I make any other changes that might be on the fringe, and thanks once again for the input. 71.131.50.118 User:petwil 20:44, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
    • Crud. ). And from the same source, " 'It looks like the Russians were testing scramjet technology,' said one intelligence official." Petwil 20:59, 16 December 2005 (UTC),

Thanks a lot for those valuable information.

[edit] Ublative Coating and other info

The Army's Lance and Pershing2 missiles both had an ublative material coating the outer shell of the cone and propulsion section of the missile. The material was cork-like, painted olive-drab, and was used to counter friction, to stop the missile from burning up after it was fired. I have repaired many small patches on the Lance and P2's during the late 80's/early 90's.

Also, the M454(155mm) and the M423CA1E1, both artillery fired projectiles, used a cylinder shaped breechblock fuse inserted into the guntube of the projectile for firing. peace. Nathraq (talk) 20:45, 12 December 2007 (UTC)