Talk:Nubuwwah
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[edit] Infallible
The article states that:
"Shi'a believe that the prophets and messengers (Adam being the first prophet and Muhammad the last) appointed by God are impeccable and infallible in every aspect (i.e., in their beliefs, thoughts, actions, speech, etc)."
But isn't it an accepted view that Adam was the first human being to "fall from grace" for disobeying God? I think this needs to be clarified in order to match with the entry on Adam. Seems like a contradiction.
- There is only a contradiction if you take the story of Adam and Eve literally. Cuñado
- Talk 02:12, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
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- But do a large majority of Shi'as view the story as literal (since the Qur'an is considered the literal word of God)? Perhaps the entry can we re-worded in such a way that doesn't make the description so extreme ("impeccable and infallible in every aspect (i.e., in their beliefs, thoughts, actions, speech, etc"). I'm not trying to argue whether a particular group is right or wrong. It seems to me that Muslim scholars have resolved this contradiction and it should be reflected on this entry.
- No, we belive the Qur'an does not say Adam (pbuh) sinned, but we can see why some people might conclude that. --Striver 02:35, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- I found some stuff on it over the weekend and would like you to confirm it. It appears that from one source Adam is described as being tricked by the devil and thus absolves him from the wrong doing. Also it shows the arabic writing and the two versions (one that says he sinned and the other that he was tricked) is very similar in shape.
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- However, I suppose that brings up the problem again. If we define 'impeccable' and 'infallible' as having no flaws and incapable of erring then we run into trouble again. There's another source that says Adam was infallible and impeccable in matters of sin/morality as opposed to other things. Like flipping a coin and guessing the wrong outcome.
You should differentiate between the Adam of the creation myth (the first man), and Adam the Prophet. The Bible also seems to have two different stories in Genesis, a subject that most people don't even notice. If you take the story of Adam of creation to be completely literal, then you will end up believing in some erroneous conclusions, like that the universe has a beginning, or that all of mankind's sins and problems are the result of one single man eating an apple, or a number of other ideas that are difficult to accept and imagine, given the detail of the story. The Adam of creation represents signifies the heavenly spirit of mankind, and Eve the human soul. The story of creation is eternal, not describing an actual historical event. There is also a Prophet named Adam, which is the story of a historical figure. Cuñado - Talk 00:46, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Very interesting! So there's Adam the literary figure and there's Adam the Prophet (and first man)?
[edit] Sunni View
The concept of Nubuwwah or prophethood is not unique for Shias & applies to Sunni's as well. Hence i removed the word "Shia" from the introduction line. -- Đõc §aмέέЯ 03:10, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
