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Contents 1 NS Prefix 2 Merchant Service 3 Economics 4 The first steam powered ship to cross the atlanic? 5 Actual Owner 6 Sponsorship at Launching

[edit] NS Prefix

Savannah really was called "NS Savannah" - there was a time when everybody thought "NS" would become as common a prefix as "SS"... Stan 00:16, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I'm not sure the move was beneficial. Provided that 'NS' is indeed correct for Savannah's prefix, of course. Is a bracketed disambiguation any better than a prefixed NS? —Morven 00:47, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC)

Checked, verified that 'NS' prefix is valid, restored article to previous name. —Morven 01:02, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Merchant Service

I originally put a "Merchant Service" header in the article where "Economics..." is presently. If more facts on her voyages become available, perhaps "Merchant Service" could be new section and the dated events in "Economics" moved to that section. It reads pretty well the way it is now, which is why I didn't move those events at this time.--J Clear 16:43, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Economics

Anyone know what a ton of bunker oil goes for these days? Perhaps MARAD should be restoring her to service.--J Clear 16:43, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Or build new nuclear-powered ships with a more practical hull design. A single ship won't make much difference in the Merchant Marine's fuel consumption, but a few dozen would. 71.203.209.0 23:33, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The first steam powered ship to cross the atlanic?

Am i missing something here....? Please tell me you've heard of Brunel. David 00:06, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Assuming you mean Isambard Kingdom Brunel and the Great Western, he was 13 in 1819, when the SS Savannah crossed the Atlantic. Great Western crossed about 19 years after Savannah. Note the reference does not state that the Savanah crossed entirely on steam. But then again a quick search for Brunel doesn't say that the Great Western did, either. I'm not saying Brunel wasn't impressive and didn't have many firsts, but the Savannah was before his time. Apparently his Great Britain was the first iron hulled, propellor driven ship to cross the Atlantic, in 1845. Perhaps that was what you were thinking of.--J Clear 03:56, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Im sorry, my mistake. Thanks for the reply! David 23:22, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Actual Owner

Under the photo of the NS Savannah, the owner is listed as "State Marine Lines." No shipping company ever owned the NS Savannah. When launched, it was owned by the US Maritime Administration (MARAD), who owns the vessel to this day (March 16, 2008).

The cited ownership is an understandable mis-perception, since ships are generally thought of as being owned by the company who operates them. However, both operators, States Marine Lines and First Atomic Ship Transport, a subsidiary of American Export-Isbrandtsen LInes, operated the vessel under a bare-boat charter from MARAD.

The potential citations to verify this fact are numerous. Anyone who can provide a reference to replace the current one, please do so. I will also search for a better citation, but wanted to get discussion underway first.

I am a former nuclear operator, serving on the NS Savannah from 1966 to 1968. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpittner (talk • contribs) 15:20, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

You're right. Fixed with a MARAD source. -- SEWilco (talk) 16:07, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sponsorship at Launching

According to the article:

"She was launched on March 23, 1962, sponsored by First Lady of the United States Mamie Eisenhower as a showcase for President Eisenhower's Atoms for Peace initiative."

However, President Eisenhower's term ended January 20, 1961, which means that when the Savannah was launched, Mamie Eisenhower was the former First Lady of the United States, not the currently serving First Lady. - 32.97.110.142 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log) 4/15/2008

I noticed that too while editing this article today. Not only was Mamie Eisenhower no longer the First Lady after January 1961, the entire sentence has problems: the ship was launched on July 21, 1959, not 1962. And to say that the ship was "sponsored" by her is puzzling. Perhaps what was meant is that Mamie Eisenhower christened the ship (with the traditional bottle of champagne?) when it was launched in 1959. Someone with access to this information needs to clear it up, otherwise the sentence will need to be deleted. I've added a {{cn}} tag in the meantime. JGHowes ^talk - 20:09, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

You should state what part of the entire preceding paragraph needs a citation. As I pointed out when I removed the citation tag, the "Atoms for Peace" fragment was sourced from an existing reference. The omission of "former" might could have been due to courtesy title writing in the original source, much as former Presidents are often introduced as "President". Edit it for accuracy. The "sponsored" is odd phrasing, but the christening phrasing is here, which is a URL in the External Links section. Make it a reference. -- SEWilco (talk) 02:13, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Done, thanks for clearing that up. By the way, the {cn} tag was placed immediately following the sentence in question, with the edit summary "see Talk". JGHowes ^talk - 16:03, 23 May 2008 (UTC)