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Contents 1 Grievous based upon Nosferatu? 2 Homages order 3 nosferatu etymology 4 Public Domain? 5 Page content out of scope 6 Names 7 I know-silly question! 8 Plot and improvements 9 Different scores 10 MOVIES with NOSFERATU mentioned 11 Requested move 12 anti-Semitism/NPOV tag 13 Nosferatu Zodd?

[edit] Grievous based upon Nosferatu?

As the one who organized the Nosferatu homages into a proper section in the first place, I really don't think the General Greivous reference belongs. All of th'other references are actual depictions of Count Orlock and/or use th'actual name or some variant. I've seen Clone Wars and Revenge of the Sith and never thought of Nosferatu while looking at Greivous. He's much more metallic grey than white, as a cyborg he is by neccessity bald, and the "bat-like" ears and claws just add sharp angles, which any cartoonist can tell you just makes something look more evil. Finally, the IMDB trivia page for Revenge of the Sith says his design was based on a spray-nozzle. Perhaps Gnrlotto should add the reference to that wikipedia article and leave the Nosferatu reference section alone.--Signor Giuseppe 14:34, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

It says so in the May 2005 issue of Entertainment weekly (page 27) subsection 03, "General Grievous is Darth Vader's Daddy."

http://www.vfxworld.com/?sa=adv&code=319b255d&atype=articles&id=2510

He was based upon "Nosferatu" whether Signor Giuseppe would like that or not.

As an homage, the logical and even-minded person would see just how far reaching the original Albin Grau design is, instead of simply dismissing it based on false notions.

Reverted.

Gnrlotto 22:10, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hey, no need to start name-calling, though, to be fair, my own comment was a little snooty. People do try to add Star Wars t'everything, and I was well justified in being wary. Gnrlotto's link is certainly all the proof anyone needs. If it is true that Grievous's design was based on a spray nozzle, perhaps that note should say that he is derived from both Nosferatu and such-and-such a cleaning supply. Still, maybe the IMDb is wrong; it's happened before.--Signor Giuseppe 06:35, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Who called names? I certainly did not. Just answered a snippy post, snippily.

Gnrlotto 8 July 2005 08:24 (UTC)

Word--Signor Giuseppe 8 July 2005 15:06 (UTC)

[edit] Homages order

Why are the homages listed in reverse chronological order? It seems to me that they should either be by notability or by normal chronological order (which is typically closer to notability anyway). DreamGuy 11:09, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

That's th'order things tend to be done on th'internet, newest to oldest. It happens with company newsletters, with online journals, even with the "history" function here on Wikipedia. Order of notability would be preferable, but also inescapably subjective. I'm pretty sure none of these homages is extremely notable, mostly just tips-of-the-hat or other subtle references. I think it is helpful to th'article, tho, because it shows how almost a century after this movie came out, it is still exerting its influence on the popular consciousness.--Signor Giuseppe 19:44, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

That's just the way it's done on "th'internet" is not really an answer, and it isn't correct anyway. That's not how most other articles here do it, and it's counterintuitive. I'm going to switch it to chronological order instead of reverse. DreamGuy 02:42, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

Well I sure as shootin' ain't gonna switch 'er back, 'cuz I like to think I'm not just contrary about those things, but traditionally on the 'pediä, we wait for a response before acting, especially when we know someöne objects, especially when that someöne more-or-less creäted the sexion in question. I know we're supposed to be bold and all that, but I think this is a case when Dream Guy mighta held his horses a bit.

Reverse order has precedent in other places on the web, as I pointed out, and is the standard for any frequently updated mediüm. As in the first discussion on this page, one can see I have my umcomfort with a Star Wars reference beïng not only the first and the longest, as it is a rather subtle homage compared to some of th'others. Still, it happens to be the most recent and thus belongs at the top.--Signor Giuseppe 14:30, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Please stop talking like a drunken cowboy, it's distracting. But, at any rate, yes, we are supposed to be bold, and yes, we are supposed to fix things that are wrong, and, yes, chronological order is preferred in articles. So sorry you are upset. You might try looking around the encyclopedia to see how things are done here.... pahdner. DreamGuy 14:42, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

Really, it's all okay because DreamGuy didn't say "So sorry your upset." And, while "sure as shootin'" definitely qualifies as "drunken cowboy," "hold your horses" is an accepted figure of speech. This is one of those cases where it's obviöus that one party cares more'n th'other, and I respectfully bow out.--Signor Giuseppe 15:28, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Please keep to chronological order, oldest to youngest. It's easier both to read and add to that way, and makes more logical sense- it shows how things develop and evolve from their anticents. CFLeon 23:49, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] nosferatu etymology

The derivation of "nosferatu" from *νοσοφορος is highly speculative. The earliest known instance of the word is from the 19th century English author Emily Gerard (Bram Stoker's source), who clearly indicates that it's Romanian (a Romance language), not Greek. The fact that it sort of sounds like *νοσοφορος, which is completely unattested in Greek as far as I can tell, isn't really enough to conclude that this one is right and all the others are wrong. At the very least, a source should be cited for this since there are numerous alternative etymologies that have been proposed.

Ben B.

[edit] Public Domain?

If Nosferatu is public domain, can we have a short clip of the film on the article? Borisblue 19:54, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

No. Film clips are not put into Wikipedia articles by policy. DreamGuy 20:15, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

What policy? Film clips are prefectly fine to upload on Wikipedia. I don't see any reason why the whole dang film shouldn't be hosted. --SeizureDog 22:51, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

This movie was released prior to 1923, meaning that in the US it IS in the public domain. However, there are numerous scores that accompany the movie which may be copyright protected. So, if you do upload it, be careful regarding the music. Yet, in the US it is public domain. I know this is US-centric, but hey, tough. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.149.203.252 (talk) 06:00, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Page content out of scope

The Nosferatu (World of Darkness) should be on the dablink too, and three of them are really too much. I propose to rename this page in something like "Nosferatu (1922 film)" and make "Nosferatu" page a disambiguation one. Elenthel 22:48, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, I've received no objections. However, moving the page would require a great deal of effort due to the predictably huge number of links-to pages. Therefore I created Nosferatu (word) and Nosferatu (disambiguation) pages to help this situation. The 'origins' section was largely moved to the former. Elenthel 23:45, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I TOTALLY agree with this, as according to the manual of style, since this is English Wikipedia it should be catagorized under it's International English title. Let me know if you need help. SIckBoy 22:39, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Names

The persons' name in the article are a bit different from those in the film (e.g. Mina instead of Nina, Jonathan instead of Jonathon). Wouldn't the other way be a bit more correct? 84.236.49.87 21:53, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

That depends on which version of the film one is talking about. When copies of the film were circulated in the 1930s, the characters names were changed to their equivalents in the novel - Count Orlock as Dracula, and so on. More confusing is the name of the German town were most of the action takes place - it's Wisborg, or Bremen, depending on the print (and filmed in Wismar, IIRC. Gee, simple!) It doesn't help that Herzog's remake uses the now public domain names from Stoker's novel. Most versions of the film I've seen don't have Jonathan (Jonathon) Harker at all, going by the name of Thomas Hutter. And there's a bit of flexibility concerning the 'Mina' character. The film's Ellen combines aspects of Lucy (particularly her sleepwalking and death at the hands of Nosferatu) and Mina (engaged/married to Hutter/Harker). Consequently she's sometimes called Lucy, as in the Herzog remake, where Doctor Sievers' wife, Ruth, is called Mina. Arrogant Papist 22:51, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Does somebody know when the change of the city names was done and why? I can imagine Mina-Nina was an accident, but Wismar-Bremen are too different to be a typo. Is it known whether the original version stated in fact Wismar as the town of Orlok's arrival? --Vancouver robin 19:04, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I know-silly question!

I've read by some people on Youtube that this movie is very scary- one person said "I love this movie, but it scares the @#$% out of me!" And if it truly is a very scary movie, could it be possile to say that it is one of the most frightening horror films ever?

I think most horror fans of today would not be scared. It's best described as creepy rather than scary. There are a few scenes that kind of get under your skin in an indefinable way. Cop 633 03:41, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Such as?

Though this may not be the best place for such a discussion, I will say that the scary or creepy aspect of the movie rests in the way it was filmed. There is no sound, and not only is it in black-and-white, the film has this tint to it that gives it an eerie effect. If done in modern color, or even standard black-and-white, the Nosferatu character would look hokey. Shot with this primative, archaic film, it can be scary for some. I would say young children might be scared, but on the whole, no, it's not a scary movie.

[edit] Plot and improvements

Hi, I wrote a fairly long version of the plot of the movie and linked to the pictures on Commons. I think the reference that the movie does not follow at all time the Dracula book is not enough. My style in written English is neither polished nor always comprehensible, so, feel free to change. Also, I would propose to make the Nosferatu#Cultural references section into an independent article, as there are so many of them and I believe the article should focus on the movie itself.
Comments? USferdinand 01:39, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree with your proposal. I've recently worked on helping create Nikola Tesla in popular culture, Thomas Edison in popular culture and Mark Twain in popular culture and have been encouraging the creation of other similar entries. Sections of main entries focusing on pop culture references can unbalance the entry and make editors 'nervous' and, where the content allows (as it does here), it seems wise to split it off and link through using Template:Main. So basically I heartily agree and will help in any capacity I can. I'd suggest something like: Nosferatu in popular culture which follows the general format, in particular the Dracula in popular culture entry. (Emperor 02:03, 9 February 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Different scores

From what I've heard, the film has been released with different scores. Is there anyone that knows more about it that can add info about it to the article? -Joltman 23:34, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MOVIES with NOSFERATU mentioned

"Dracula: Dead And Loving It" is a 1995 movie directed by Mel Brooks. In the movie, there is a plot where Mel Brooks is acting together with Harvey Korman, where Mel asks Harvey if he's got a copy of NOSFERATU in his library (The plot of the movie is suppossedly late 1800's. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dracula:_Dead_and_Loving_It —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.5.143.55 (talk) 06:01, 15 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Requested move

[edit] anti-Semitism/NPOV tag

Shouldn't there be mention of anti-Semitism? The fact this movie is "Clean"-there's controversy, as any German Cinema expert would tell you. This movie has absolutely grotesque stereotypes. It might still be a good movie, a classic even, but searching the internet, as well as looking through various textbooks...this movie is overtly anti-Jewish. The only reason its not seen that way is no one involved making it seemed to point it out.

I'm restoring the tag until there's some mention of the stereotypes in this movie.66.24.35.55 (talk) 03:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

If you think the anti-semitism issue is significant enough for an encyclopedia article, and you can provide sources, write it up. The article currently takes no position either way on whether the film is anti-Semitic, so there is no POV issue.

However, if the filmmaker made Orlock look disgusting, and other Germans have used similar features to show Jews as disgusting, that doesn't really indicate much more than a shared aesthetics. WillOakland (talk) 06:37, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nosferatu Zodd?

In the Berserk manga, there's an intermittently featured villain called Nosferatu Zodd. He was actually the reason why I came here and discovered the origin of the name "Nosferatu" in the first place. I thought he might be worth mentioning in the "Cultural References" section of the article, although there doesn't seem to be a sub-section for print media yet. I suppose he'd have to go under the section labeled "Other".

--PaparazziPulse (talk) 05:09, 4 April 2008 (UTC)