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[edit] Identifying a Mozart composition

Hi, what is the opus (KV) number of this piece

Image:Mozart_-_KV_570.ogg

. It is not the sonata known under kv. 570, infact it aint a sonata but instead it seems to be some kind of concerto including a flute and a piano. appreciate some help. -- Funper 22:49, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Please don't post questions more than once. HenryFlower 09:28, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
List of compositions by Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart might give you some help. --Halcatalyst 14:49, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Beautiful music, and definately sounds like WA Mozart. The key is Bb major, if that is of any help. Did some googling for Mozart midi files for flute and piano in the key of Bb, but didn't find it. Could it have been written for another instrument originally (violin?), and transcribed? --NorwegianBlue 23:23, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
I played the sound clip at work during lunch today, and one of my colleagues (who plays the clarinet and piano in his spare time) immediately recognised it, and knew that he had played it. He wanted to check out his sheet music at home, and has now sent me an email which reads as follows: "This is a sonata for the violin and piano by W.A. Mozart, K378 (also known as K317d in the Köchel revision 6/1994), the key is Bb major. It was probably arranged for the flute and piano by the great French flutist Marcel Joseph Moyse. The sonata has also been arranged for two clarinets by Wilhelm Sadowsky and Otto Büttner, as the first of six duets for two clarinets." My colleague recognised the music because he had played all six duets. As you probably have seen from the tagging within the .ogg file, it is a live recording by Albert Tipton (flute) and his wife Mary Norris (piano). --NorwegianBlue 19:10, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Thank you. -- Funper 00:13, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Classical music online

Are there any web sites which offer the opportunity to listen to classical music, either whole pieces (which I doubt) or sample passages? For example, I was reading about Dvořák's Cello Concerto and would like to get an idea of what it sounds like. --Halcatalyst 02:08, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

For the Cello Concerto, try http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsS8jvFrLKs: Dvorak: Cello Concerto, Op.104 (Part 1). Miklos Perenyi plays Antonin Dvorák's Cello Concerto, Op.104 with Orchestra Della Svizzera Italiana led by Urs Schneider. You'll also see links to Parts 2 and 3. I don't know a "portal" for this, but for a well-known piece a Google search generally leads pretty quickly to results.  --LambiamTalk 06:10, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
www.classiccat.com is the best that I know of, and it's generally free. 66.112.244.146 06:38, 20 June 2007 (UTC)MelancholyDanish
  • BBC3 has a website and does both full concerts and bits and pieces.Also good programmes about classical music.hotclaws 09:28, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you all. I was able to listen to parts of the piece, though the cadenza to the third movement, which I was especially interested in, cut off unexpectedly. --Halcatalyst 13:18, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Maybe you should look into podcasts, and you could start with NPR's list of classical music shows, at here. Llamabr 15:43, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hit songs with odd time signtures (Music)

Has there ever been a Billboard 200 #1 hit in a time signature that is not 4/4? A top 10 hit maybe? NIRVANA2764 (talk) 00:30, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Take five? by Dave Brubeck quartet--TreeSmiler (talk) 01:59, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
All You Need Is Love hit #1 in both the UK and the US. -- kainaw™ 05:47, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
"El Paso" (January 1960) and "Time in a Bottle" (December 1973) are in 3/4. – I'll bet most of the answers are 6/8; if my aural memory is accurate, they include "To Know Him Is to Love Him" (December 1958); "The Chipmunk Song (Christmas Don't Be Late)" (December 1958); "Runaround Sue" (October 1961); "Blue Velvet" (September 1963); "Chapel of Love" (June 1964); "Baby Love" (October 1964); "Mrs. Brown, You've Got a Lovely Daughter" (May 1965); "Help Me Rhonda" (May 1965); "Penny Lane" (March 1967); "This Guy's in Love with You" (June 1968); "Wedding Bell Blues" (November 1969); "Raindrops Keep Fallin' on My Head" (January 1970); "(They Long to Be) Close to You" (July 1970); "A Horse With No Name" (March 1972); "Song Sung Blue" (July 1972); "My Ding-a-Ling" (October 1972); "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" (January 1975); "Call Me" (April 1980); "It's Still Rock and Roll to Me" (July 1980); "Kiss from a Rose" (August 1995). – What about "The Candy Man" (June 1972), "Alone Again (Naturally)" (July 1972), "Crocodile Rock" (February 1973)? I don't remember them well enough to be sure. —Tamfang (talk) 07:21, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Several of the songs listed by Tamfang have a 4/4 feel to my ear, even though the formal time signature might be 2/4 (Alla breve), which is really only a technicality. These include Penny Lane, Raindrops keep fallin' on my head, Close to you, and definitely Crocodile Rock. --NorwegianBlue talk 19:30, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Uh, 2/4 with lots of triplets, maybe ... Tamfang (talk) 21:48, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
That's not fair since 3/4 is hardly an odd time signature for pop music :) I think the questioner must mean "4/4 or 3/4". The usual answer is Money (Pink Floyd song), which unfortunately only hit #13 in the US. Adam Bishop (talk) 08:20, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
3/4 and 6/8 are not rare enough to be startling, but the great majority of #1s are in 4/4 (growing more so over time it seems), hence the question. —Tamfang (talk) 16:52, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Shoulda mentioned I made that list by looking through List of number-one hits (United States). And that I've been out of touch with current music since about 1983, so there are likely some that I didn't spot. —Tamfang (talk) 16:58, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I've found a sortable list, searchable by time signature, here. Unfortunately you'd have to go through and pick out likely candidates for high chart placings, as it doesn't have any chart position references on it. Hassocks5489 (talk) 13:18, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Right, I've got a bit of my lunch hour left, so here goes ... Money, as above, is in 7/4, as is Solsbury Hill (great song, but not sure whether it was a US hit - I only know the UK charts). Radiohead have a few in 5/4 time. Huey Lewis & The News did some in 12/8. Thank U (Alanis Morissette) is in 6/8, as are We Are the Champions, Everybody Hurts, I Guess That's Why They Call It the Blues, To Know Him Is To Love Him (or its original Teddy Bears version, To Know Her Is To Love Her), and When a Man Loves a Woman. Just picked out some of the "big name" 6/8 songs there. The song I would have said straightaway without looking anywhere is Daysleeper by REM, which is in 3/4. Really interesting question, by the way: has given me ideas for a quiz I'm setting at work next week! Hassocks5489 (talk) 13:30, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Are 'Friends' Electric? by Tubeway Army certainly sounds like it could be in an unusual time signature, but I am no musician and have no way of knowing. It was No.1 for five weeks as well. --Richardrj talk email 13:41, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
The sample in the article is definitely 4. —Tamfang (talk) 16:56, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Tool use a lot of odd time signatures. I think they've had number ones in the rock charts, and definitely on the album charts, but not the overall singles chart. (I'm in the UK so I don't know for certain off the top of my head) MorganaFiolett (talk) 16:11, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
  • FWIW, I actually did a radio show that consisted of songs that were not in 4/4 or 3/4 - possibly the biggest charting hit that I know of in that hasn't been mentioned above is Jethro Tull's Living In The Past, in 5/4. There are tons in 3/4 or 6/8 ("To know him is to love him", "Moon River", "House of the Rising Sun", "I got you babe", "Where do you go to my lovely"...etc, etc, etc), but songs in more unusual signatures are understandably rarer. Grutness...wha? 23:04, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
    • Okaaay - I've looked through the list of songs I had for my show - none of them reached no 1 in the US, but one or two of them may have charted moderately high. The list of possible charters includes: Up the hill backwards (David Bowie, 4/4 and 7/8); Solsbury hill (Peter Gabriel, 7/8); Love is only sleeping (The Monkees, 4/4 and 7/8); Light flight (Pentangle, alternating 5/4 and 7/8, bridge in 3/4); The man who sailed around his soul (XTC, 7/8); Money (Pink Floyd, 7/8); Last exit (Pearl Jam, 5/4); Three of a perfect pair (King Crimson, 3/4 and 7/8); Original "Mission Impossible" theme (Lalo Schiffrin, 5/4); Throwing back the apple (Pale Saints, 4/4 and 5/4); Cattle and cane (Go-Betweens, 11/8); Trampled Rose (Robert Plant & Alison Krauss, 4/4 and 5/4); What a bringdown (Cream, 5/4 and 3/4); Something (The Beatles, mostly 4/4, but bridge section in 14/8, 4/4 and 2/4); All you need is love (The Beatles, 7/4 and 4/4). BTW, most of Tamfang's list is definitely 4/4, as is "Are friends electric". As for 3/4, I'm mebarrassed that I missed one of my all-time favourites off that earlier list - "Norwegian wood". And another for the list of actual Billboard no. 1s, "We can work it out" - bridge in 3/4. Grutness...wha? 09:08, 15 December 2007 (UTC)