Talk:North London derby

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Contents 1 Soccerbase stats 2 Merger 3 Crossing the divide 4 Dates 5 Kevin Stead

[edit] Soccerbase stats

Although soccerbase says Spurs have won 4 League Cup ties against Arsenal, in actual fact they have only won two - on 04/11/80 and 08/02/87 - both of them 1-0; these can be checked by using the form here. I've corrected the figures in the table and restored the total number of Spurs wins to 49. Qwghlm 23:08, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

Soccerbase have now corrected the error, so the two sets of statistics match now. I've deleted my above comments as they no longer apply. Qwghlm 14:55, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merger

The suggestion that the article on St. Totteringham's Day should be merged into the North London Derby article is interesting. The two are undeniably linked but I think the concept of St. Totteringham's Day is strong enough for it to have an article of its own. Jack White —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jackwhite (talk • contribs) 14:16, July 31, 2006 (UTC).

Once you remove duplicated material, it's only a couple of paragraphs at best, and shares the same categories as this page; I think it is better incorporated as a subsection here. Qwghlm 14:50, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I believe the St. Totteringham's Day article borders on non-sense in the first place and would like to see the criteria under which it qualifies for inclusion in wikipedia at all. Timb0h 13:36, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Crossing the divide

The Crossing the divide section reports on players who have played for both clubs, but not on players who have played for both sides in the derby. That more specific infomation should be added if anyone has the details. jnestorius^(talk) 22:30, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure how easy this would be - I have a book with Arsenal teamlists for every match back to 1970-71, but no further; I don't know of anywhere online which does Spurs lineups, though. In any case, delving through results archives like this is borderline original research, so I am not mad keen to do it. Qwghlm 09:03, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps the problem is with the article name. It's not specifically about the North London derby; it's about the rivalry in general. Compare Old Firm, which is not called Old Firm derby (that's just a redirect). jnestorius^(talk) 23:02, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

The article is about the match itself and the rivalry in general, together - the two are intertwined, you can't separate them. Also, what else would you call it? The Old Firm title is the exception, not the rule - all the other British derbies in Category:Football (soccer) rivalries use the word "derby" in them. Qwghlm 23:31, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, you can separate them conceptually. The Birmingham derby does not take place in those years when Villa and City are playing in different divisions; but the rivalry still lives on. I'm not suggesting this theoretical distinction means there should be separate articles. But at the moment, the article is just about derby matches until the "Crossing the divide" section. Which is another reason to support merging in St. Totteringham's Day. I agree there is no obvious alternative name; Arsenal-Tottenham Hotspur rivalry sounds half-baked, and fans will dispute which team should be named first. But in any case, it's worth modifying the intro para of this (and the other Foo Derby articles) just to make explicit what you've said: the article is about the rivalry in general, not specifically the derby. jnestorius^(talk) 00:02, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Done. Feel free to modify it if you don't think it's up to scratch. Qwghlm 08:50, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I've added the details using Bob Goodwin's "The Pride Of North London" and Soccerbase (for Sol Campbell).If there are any other statistics that you think my be of use, let me know.--Goonerak (talk) 20:45, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dates

Why is this page about two English teams using US dates? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by IrishCheeseMaker (talk • contribs) 23:44, January 31, 2007.

Could you clarify exactly what you mean? If it's a problem with how the dates are shown in this article, then you can change that with the "Date and Time" tab in Special:Preferences so that all dates are shown the way you prefer them. Qwghlm 23:48, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kevin Stead

I've removed Kevin Stead from the list of players that have played for both clubs. It appears that www.arsenal.com has mixed up Kevin & Michael (Mickey) Stead. Kevin was a Tottenham player but never appeared in the first team. He did, however, play for Arsenal's first team. Mickey played 14 games for Tottenham's first team and was never an Arsenal player at any point in his career. Reference books such as Barry Hugman's Football League Players' Records and Rothmans Football Yearbook confirm this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Goonerak (talk • contribs) 12:10, 26 February 2008 (UTC)