Talk:Normandy Campaign

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Contents 1 Not ready 2 Casualties 3 Article overlap 3.1 Moves to be made

[edit] Not ready

This page is far from ready for being a presented article (barely different then our Battle of Normandy). I'd like to recommend we move it to a users sub-page or give it a /temp qualification. Oberiko 16:19, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Casualties

I once again have to disagree with the German Casualties. We have one author claiming the killed and wounded are 80,000 in total when in general every book I have read has put that at over 200,000. On top of that Between the Normandy beaches and Paris are the graves of over 80,000 German dead from the Normandy Campaign. There are 6 German Cemeteries containing the dead for the Normandy Campaign.

     1)Huisnes-sur-Mer, near Pontorson, 11 956 burials

     2)La Cambe, between Bayeux and lsigny, 21 160 burials

     3)Saint-Desir-de-Lisieux, near Lisieux, 3 735 burials

     4)Marigny - La Chapelle-en-Juger, near Saint-Lo, 11 169 burials

     5)Orglandes, near Valognes, 10 152 burials

     6)Champigny-St-Andre-de-I'Eure, 19 794 burials

Plus 2 329 German soldiers who are buried on British cemeteries in Bayeux, Cheux-St. Manvieu, Douvres-la-Delivrande, Fontenay-le-Pesnel, Hottot-les-Bagues, Ranville, Ryes-Bazenville, Sequeville-en-Bessin, Tilly-sur-Seulles and Tourgeville.

So you are pretty much looking at just over 80,000 Germans burried in these Cemeteries. Some sites don't mention the last cemetery in their list, even excluding that one you are looking at over 50,000 deaths which are supported by John Keegan's book. Either way most literature puts the total German casualties at over 200,000, and for the most part the number of dead in the Cemeteries reflect that high casualty number is likely the correct one.

Wokelly (talk) 07:33, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article overlap

see also Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military history/World War II task force#Operation Overlord & Talk:Battle of Normandy#Article Name

Either the Battle of Normandy should stop at the breakout from the Normandy lodgement, or the Normandy Campaign should become an overview like the Italian Campaign (World War II) (perhaps renaming this article to Allied liberation of France or some other descriptive name), or the Normandy Campaign should become a redirect with any useful information merged into the Battle of Normandy. What do other think? --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 13:08, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history#Operation_Overlord

Discussion over what should be done has begun, hopefully we will all find a good soloution--EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 13:22, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

We have a proposal up at here, please weigh in with feedback. Oberiko (talk) 16:51, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Moves to be made

Unless there are objections, we'll be using the following structure:

• Operation Overlord: Overview of the everything (sans things like Dragoon) up until the liberation of Paris (June 6 - Aug 25)
  • Invasion of Normandy: Invasion and establishment (June 6 - mid-July (Goodwood / Cobra))
    • Normandy Landings: Sub-page focusing on the naval and amphibious portion. A.K.A. Operation Neptune
  • Breakout from Normandy: The breakout and chase up to the liberation of Paris (Mid-July - Aug 25)

Disambiguation pages

• Battle of Normandy: Disambiguation linking to all of the above, plus other battles in Normandy (such as during the Hundred Years' War)
• Normandy Campaign: Same as Battle of Normandy, but with additional note of it being an official campaign in the American European Theater of Operations
• Operation Neptune: Disambiguation, takes over the current disambig page.

I'll likely move the pages in a few days. Please direct any feedback here, as I'm posting this notice on several pages. Oberiko (talk) 00:36, 9 February 2008 (UTC)