Talk:Non-apology apology
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[edit] Searching for early use
FWIW First use on USENET appears to be December, 1995 so the 1991 New York Times usage is older. Dpbsmith (talk) 18:43, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Pope's Apology on Sat 16 Sep 2006
Take a look at this: http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Vatican_delivers_Pope_Benedict%27s_apology_for_offensive_comments_to_Islam. It surely qualifies as a Non-apology apology.
- No it is not. Saying that i am sorry about something that my acts or words has caused, is neither apologising, nor even meaning that i would not do it again. and once more, Manuel Paleologos is not ancient. Hectorian 01:56, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Is wikinews considered acceptable as a reference? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Uncle uncle uncle (talk • contribs) 02:19, 3 May 2007 (UTC).
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[edit] Reeve's apology
"It was absolutely inappropriate for me to do so."
I think that constitutes acceptance of guilt right there. Doesn't that mean it really is an apology? The fact that the Catholic organization was still miffed about his mention of the separation of Church and State doesn't mean it wasn't a real apology... Gijs Kruitbosch 13:44, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
- The Reeve example is concerning. I'm not sure who is actually saying it's "real world example" of a NAA. There appears to be no sourcing for that opinion. I'm going to remove it until it's clearly sourced and shown not to be WP:OR. Dreadstar † 05:01, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Are George Allen, Pope Benedict XVI, Japan and World War II, and Hillary Clinton examples appropriate?
"The Perfect Non-apology Apology" is humorous, and helpful in illuminating the sort of verbal trickery that is often resorted to.
The examples from George Allen, Pope Benedict XVI, Japan and World War II, and Hillary Clinton have problems. They are described, rather than quoted directly, and no citation is given to show that the statements have been called "non-apology apologies." For example, the source cited for Japan and World War II goes to great lengths to demonstrate that the Japanese statement is not an apology, but nowhere does it use the phrase "non-apology apology."
It seems to me that in order to be included, an example at least needs to include a citation showing that someone has described the statement using the term "non-apology apology." needs to be included. Language from the statement ought to be quoted, not described.
I'd add a suggestion that I think it would be the better part of valor to stick to examples that are a) at least a couple of years old, b) stay clear of "sex, politics, and religion." The risk of non-neutrality is too great. Dpbsmith (talk) 22:42, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
OK, I'm moving three examples here, because no reference has been cited to show that someone has described them as "non-apology apologies." Dpbsmith (talk) 00:15, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] George Allen
U.S. senator George Allen called Shekar Ramanuja Sidarth – a young staffer from an opponent's campaign – by the slur "Macaca". Senator Allen then apologized to the staffer, not for the slur but for offending him.[1]
[edit] Pope Benedict XVI
In September 2006, Pope Benedict XVI made a similar non-apology after quoting an ancient text critical of Islam. Rather than retracting his remarks, the Pope expressed regret for the reaction to his comments, and a statement from the Vatican indicated that he "sincerely regrets that certain passages of his address could have sounded offensive to the sensitivities of the Muslim faithful and should have been interpreted in a manner that in no way corresponds to his intentions".[2][3]
[edit] Japan and World War II
Japan has issued statements of "regret" for its actions during World War II, but those statements are often not considered an apology, and have been criticized by many.[4][5]
