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[edit] Devas?
According to my electronic dictionary, 「仁王」is simply the Japanese translation for "Deva". Can anyone confirm this?
[edit] Correct Names
According to the version of this page on the Japanese wikipedia, the naming of these statues is incorrect. "Kongourikishi" is actually the name used for both statues, both open-mouthed (a-gyou) and closed-mouthed (un-gyou) versions. "Shukongoushin" is actually a different type of statue; while it depicts the same deity, "Shukongoushin" is a lone armor-clad warrior, as opposed to the two more common shirtless figures. It also goes on to state that Toudaiji Temple has special, individually-named versions: "a-gyou" is called "Kongourikishi" while "un-gyou" is called "Misshakurikishi". Finally, perhaps becoming irrelevant to the English-language version by this point, the Thousand-Armed Goddess Kanon has two more Niou variants in her "family" named "Naraenkengou" (open-mouthed) and "Misshakukongourikishi".
Because I'm just reading this information from the (presumably more accurate, for obvious reasons) Japanese version of the page, I don't have any real source or verification for this (imagine an encyclopedia citing itself!), so rather than making the changes (and editing all the related pages) myself, I'm just leaving this note for more thorough/less lazy persons. My apologies if this is bad form.
As an aside, it also says that "Niou" can be written with the characters "仁王" (Benevolent Kings) or "二王" (Two Kings). The English entry for Kongourikishi has "仁王" translated as "Two Kings", which isn't 100% wrong as such but it is the wrong translation for that particular character.
- Thanks for the info! I'll try to get a verification of that. – Quadell (talk) (bounties) 16:10, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Merge
This was mentioned previously. All sources indicate that "Kongorikishi" and "Shukongoshin" are essentially the same thing and not the difference between "Agyō" and "Ungyō." I suggest that the two articles be merged into Nio and then perhaps separate pages could be made for Agyō and Ungyō. Sudachi 06:59, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] NiO is Nickel oxide too
--Smokefoot 02:28, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Additional info
[edit] Tōdaiji note
Ungyō and Agyō at Tōdaiji, from 1203, restored 1988–92. Made from 3800 and 4200 pieces of wood, respectively. Agyō damaged in 1567 when Tōdaiji buildings burned by Matsudaga Hisahide; musketball from that time recovered from shoulder during restoration.[1] Each weighs about two tonnes.[2]
[edit] Kabuki
The depiction of the niō influenced the style of the aragoto (rough) characters in kabuki.[3]
