Talk:Nikki Catsouras photographs controversy

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So why is whether she was drunk still unknown? I'm sure an autopsy was done, no news reported it? From what I know about the story and the sources I found just doing a Google search, she had alcohol in her bloodstream. The story is also a little longer, some background about why she took the car would clear somethings up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.120.107.174 (talk) 01:02, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] No way is this a speedy delete

It needs an AfD to determine community consensus. The circumstances surrounding her death and the events that followed have been a notable controversy in its own right. It clearly asserts some kind of significance--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 01:48, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I mean, if I expanded this further, it may even be eligible for WP:DYK. I'm sure more sources exist than the ones I used here.--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 02:04, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
The only Wikipedia policy that this might violate is WP:NOT#NEWS - and realistically this is the only concern that people who might want this article deleted would have.--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 18:00, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm also thinking of WP:BLP here. Everything is cited to reliable sources, though.--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 18:13, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
And also, I think she was incredibly pretty. In the creation of this article, I observe WP:NPOV whilst only reporting verifiable facts for the family's sake, who must have gone through massive trauma through her death and the further distribution of the photographs. I am sympathetic towards them.--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 23:31, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was no move. —Angr If you've written a quality article... 09:32, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

Nikki Catsouras → 2006 Alton Parkway automobile crash — Or any other title decided upon by discussion. My preference is for any title which does not include her name. This article is not a biography. It has no writing about the life of the young woman in question, whom I strongly doubt had any coverage in secondary sources prior to her tragic death. Rather, it's an article about a car accident and the lawsuit which occurred in its aftermath. Per WP:BIO1E, this article should be retitled to focus on the event rather than the person. —cab (talk) 05:30, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Discussion

Any additional comments:
  • I know it's not a biography of her life, but does mainly concern her. How about Nikki Catsouras photograph controversy?--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 13:04, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
  • To be honest, I'm getting sick of seeing "Murder of", "Disappearance of", or "Death of" in article titles about such cases, and think that this may not be such a good idea in the long term. For a murder, how about instead of "Murder of x", have it be "x murder case"? The consensus around 2005 or so was that such cases should be titled by the person's name, not with "x of..." before it.--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 13:21, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Unsure, tending to oppose. Where was this previous discussion around 2005? And while encyclopedic considerations of course have priority, we shouldn't allow ourselves to be used by those who have chosen to kick this family while they were down by publishing the photos, and become part of the abuse mechanism. Andrewa (talk) 00:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose Tragic events make non-notable people become notable. There is no need to add the reason they became notable to the article titles. See Jessica McClure for example. 199.125.109.129 (talk) 03:45, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
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