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The photograph seems to show a Thrush Nightingale Luscinia luscinia not a Nightingale Luscinia megarhynchos on the basis of the dull colouration, mottled breast and yellow gape.
Also, the second sentence under symbols make no sense!
Puffinbillyunst 21:16, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
- I've tried to make that bit intelligible. I agree it looks more Thrush Nightingale, but the picture location is right for breeding Nightingale, bit southerly for Luscinia luscinia. Can't see primary projection in this image. jimfbleak
Agreed. On range it should be Nightingale, although it could be a migrant/vagrant I suppose, but either way it doesn't look like a Nightingale and so isn't a good choice. An encyclopedia photos should show a typical bird. Puffinbillyunst 10:23, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
- I agree, but all the iw articles either use this image or the old Naumann painting, so no alternative really at present. jimfbleak 12:37, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
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I'm afraid I don't understand why so many references to "nightingale" were removed. If these are in fact trivial then there shouldn't be any, but there shouldn't be some and not others. What makes Eliot more important than Keats, for example? --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 21:04, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
- An excellent point; I've removed the Eliot example. --Eyrian 21:32, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
- That was a very questionable edit. A list of how nightingales have been treated in classical literature can be very useful in some circumstances. I agree that it looked strange to have the list integrated in the article about the animal, but it should not have been deleted; it should have been moved to a better place - or, if no better place can be found, it should have been left where it was. Mlewan 19:43, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
- No, a list is not. An analysis is. An analysis is welcome, but it must be cited, or it's original research. The short little blurbs that surround these lists tend to be original research. --Eyrian 23:38, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
- May I ask if you have ever studied art? Have you ever studied literature? Have you ever asked yourself why Eric Maschwitz choose the nightingale as bird? What time he lived in? How the nightingale was perceived in the time he lived? What influential cultural manifestations with nightingales he may have had access to, directly or indirectly? What the nightingale may have meant to him? Mlewan 05:19, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
- No. How about you write a nice, cited section about it? Clearly, you know a great deal. --Eyrian 05:57, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
- May I ask if you have ever studied art? Have you ever studied literature? Have you ever asked yourself why Eric Maschwitz choose the nightingale as bird? What time he lived in? How the nightingale was perceived in the time he lived? What influential cultural manifestations with nightingales he may have had access to, directly or indirectly? What the nightingale may have meant to him? Mlewan 05:19, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
- No, a list is not. An analysis is. An analysis is welcome, but it must be cited, or it's original research. The short little blurbs that surround these lists tend to be original research. --Eyrian 23:38, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
- That was a very questionable edit. A list of how nightingales have been treated in classical literature can be very useful in some circumstances. I agree that it looked strange to have the list integrated in the article about the animal, but it should not have been deleted; it should have been moved to a better place - or, if no better place can be found, it should have been left where it was. Mlewan 19:43, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
It seems to me that Ode to a Nightingale and the Nightingale sang in Berkeley Square song are very well known, and the uncited Turkish bit isn't. However, if it's not possible to agree on the content of this section, why not hive it off as a separate nightingale in culture article (see Peregrine Falcon and Common Raven)? Jimfbleak 06:44, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
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- The nightingale does not occur in Japan, and it is difficult to see anyway how the droppings of this elusive woodland species could be collected. Even if true, the newspaper article cannot refer to this bird
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- Given the overwhelming number of references on the web (Ex: Reuters article), it is either true or a major hoax. Could it be the Thrush Nightingale again? Metallion (talk) 23:35, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- or (if true) a laughingthrush - I've seen newspaper articles refer to the Hwamei as Song Thrush - pop culture names of eastern species are unreliable. Nests of Thrush Nightingale are as inaccessible as Common.
- Mystery probably solved. See Japanese Bush-warbler, sometimes referred to as Japanese Nightingale. Its droppings are used as skin whitener. Metallion (talk) 00:15, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
- or (if true) a laughingthrush - I've seen newspaper articles refer to the Hwamei as Song Thrush - pop culture names of eastern species are unreliable. Nests of Thrush Nightingale are as inaccessible as Common.
- Given the overwhelming number of references on the web (Ex: Reuters article), it is either true or a major hoax. Could it be the Thrush Nightingale again? Metallion (talk) 23:35, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- Unsourced nn spam will be removed
- Although Jenny Lind is notable, this species does not occur in Sweden, but the Thrush Nightingale does. This is unsourced, so I'm inclined to remove it - views? Jimfbleak (talk) 05:31, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
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- Sweden does not enter into it. I think we need to forget about the species here. Lind inspired the danish writer Hans Christian Andersen to write the poem The Nightingale, eventually making her known as The Swedish Nightingale. The main character in the plot is the Emperor of China. I'd leave the reference as the intention of Andersen was probably to refer to the bird with the beautiful song (Luscinia megarhynchos) mentioned in many songs and poetry in English. Metallion (talk) 23:35, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
