Talk:Nick Tahou Hots

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The result was keep.

Pure advertising for a restaurant. Signed, --1pezguy 02:58, Jul 27, 2004 (UTC)

I am afraid I must disagree.

This restaurant is a cultural Icon for the region that has been around for decades. Search Google for Nick Tahou and you will see many more entries for it than for your average hometown restaurant. This is attributable to the large student population from the city's half dozen 4-year schools including the university of Rochester and Rochester Institute of Technology.

Signed - Elton Ray

• But is it notable outside of Rochester? If not, delete. [[User:Poccil|Peter O. (Talk)]] 06:10, Jul 27, 2004 (UTC)
• I note that "Elton Ray" (anon user 24.169.106.153, and I highly suggest he get himself an ID here, instead of editing anonymously) removed the VFD header just after he posted here. (I've taken the liberty of restoring it.)
  I think the article needs a POV-ectomy first, then we can see if what's left is encyclopedic. I would take a swing at it, but it's getting late and that actually needs to be done by someone familiar with the restaurant. Or I could always wax poetic about the Deer Park Tavern in Newark, Delaware, where many a University of Delaware student spent many a night...
  My vote is keep, cleanup, and reevaluate. - Kenwarren 04:15, Jul 27, 2004 (UTC)
• It does get a fair number of hits. Unfortunately I'm not familiar with the region (and the description of its most notable menu item has put me off visiting) - if notable, keep and NPOV. I would be particularly interested in a correlation with medical statistics (coronary disease, stomach complaints) in the area. If kept, merge info on Garbage Plate (do not read while eating breakfast) here. Ianb 05:46, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• It doesn't seem to be much worse than that Bun Boy article I fixed up a while back. Needs the aforementioned POV-ectomy something fierce. Merge the "garbage plate" article while we're at it. Order up! - Lucky 6.9 06:19, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

One final word on the restaurant's notability outside of Rochester and I am done proselytizing. The restaurant was featured in a Georgetown university newspaper in Washington DC, a blogger in Ontario Canada mentions his visit, Non-Rochester, New york web sites: roadfood.com, wanderlist.com, aaroadtrips.com, topazguide.com, www.travelconsumer.com. It is a bizarre regional phenomenon. if you browse: http://www.geocities.com/garbageplates, you will see around 80 area establishments that serve the dish. The food is quite unheathy. I believe one of these dishes includes over 100 grams of fat. Thanks, you folks are doing an excellent job. - Elton Ray

• Keep. It is notable. I used to live in Rochester, and when I'd travel, folks would ask me how often I ate there. I've seen Tahou's soda mugs all over. It's one of those things that you notice when you know it, but don't when you don't. - UtherSRG 14:53, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. POV cleanup needed. Arevich 17:28, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. I'd never heard of a "garbage plate" before and it seems to me that it's worth knowing about. Article in present form does not seem unreasonably promotional. However, I would caution User:24.169.106.153 that deleting VfD notices is very, very bad form and is not calculated to win Wikipedians over to your cause. Dpbsmith 17:37, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

P. S. Google search on "Nick Tahou Hots" in quotations and this comes up as the first link! Take a look. (Not quite safe for work). Appetite appeal! Dpbsmith 17:46, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Keep. Kenwarren probably has it right: it needs a clean-up and reevaluation. I've eaten there a few times, and it's an experience. Finding someone who's been there and can still write with NPOV will be difficult, though. Ventura 17:50, 2004 Jul 27 (UTC)
• Keep 'n clean. I think that if it's notable in Rochester then it qualifies. Afterall, I think it would be great if people traveling to a new city could use the Wikipedia to learn about that city's notable features. - Eisnel 17:51, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Comment re notability. this site says:

Another somewhat unique dish that has received undeserved national acclaim, through the writings of Jan & Michael Stern, is the Nick Tahou "Garbage Plate." What you will find on the garbage plate is a little of everything: hot dog, cheese burger, home fries, macaroni salad, and baked beans, in various combinations if you wish. The problem is that none of the parts of the garbage plate are very good. However, that's not the point. Young men who like to have contests to see how much beer or food they can consume love the "Garbage Plate" as more of a ritual of rite of passage from boyhood to manhood. Others enjoy it simply as a form of culinary masochism or as a means of molesting culinary snobs. If you move to Rochester, go Nick Tahou's and order up a "Garbage Plate." This will help you assimilate and prepare you to answer questions about it from out-of-towners.

The reference is presumable to Jane and Michael Stern's book, "Roadfood: The Coast-to-Coast Guide to 500 of the Best Barbeque Joints, Lobster Shacks, Ice Cream Parlors, Highway Diners, and Much More." If, in fact, it is mentioned in this book, which I do not have at hand, then I would say that it has more than local notability. As well as intrinsic interest. Dpbsmith 18:43, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Another comment re notability. Searching on Google Groups for "garbage plate" in quotes yield 484 hits. almost all of them relevant, and most of them mentioning Nick Tahou Hots by name. In other words, the dish, while available elsewhere, is so closely associated with Nick Tahou that it is reasonable to have Garbage plate redirect to Nick Tahou Hots. 484 hits isn't too bad, although a fair proportion are in alt.culture.ny-upstate, some wny.rochester.freenet, and (for some reason I haven't yet determined) quite a few in rec.music.phish (and some other music groups). BTW I'm not shilling for the place, I don't believe I've ever been in Rochester, I hadn't heard of a "garbage plate" until yesterday, just trying to assess notability. Dpbsmith 22:27, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Delete. Elf-friend 19:31, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• KEEP definately a regional icon. as much as the Anchor Bar is for its invention of "buffalo wings". Currently I live in Maine... people up here have even heard of it. Alkivar
• Keep. Definitely regionally notable in the Rochester Metro Area. Knowledge of it spread throughout the country via the many universities and colleges in Rochester.--Samuel J. Howard 17:03, Jul 31, 2004 (UTC)
• If this is the birthplace of the Garbage Plate, keep. I've heard it discussed far outside the region. -- WOT 20:42, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• KEEP - First, this is not advertising for the restaurant. I started the Garbage Plate article because someone asked me what it was when I told them about it. I took a picture of it as well. I am from the Rochester area, so I don't know how well known Nick Tahous is anywhere else. It is probably one of the most known places around here though, you could probably mention it to 10 people and at least 9 would have heard of it although very few probably eat there. - martianpenguin

some of us eat there :) i made a 22hr road trip to get my tahou's fix one weekend out of boredom. - Alkivar

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