Talk:Nicholas van Hoogstraten

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[edit] UK housing market

Tha article states

As the housing market boomed in the early 1990s ...

Is that true?. The UK housing market actually crashed in the early 1990s, losing around 50% of its value.

Bob BScar23625 13:49, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

. 82.21.53.210 13:03, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

He went to a Jesuit school, not a Jewish one. I think you need to work out the difference before making anti-Semitic comments. Oh, and for good measure, he went to prison in 1968 for firebombing the home of a Jewish clergyman. --Mike 22:06, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


Observation: While the comment might be incorrect, it is, by no stretch of the imagination, 'anti-semitic'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.23.64 (talk) 00:02, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Children's ages

I have removed the ages from Hoogstraten's children because these would require continual maintenance to keep up to date. However, their dates of birth (even just the years of birth) would not require such maintenance. If anyone has such dates, could someone add them? For the record, as at today the ages were given as:

Rhett (aged 21), Alex (aged 18), Britannia (aged 16), Richmond (aged 15) and Orrie (aged 9).

--A bit iffy 14:31, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Possibly useful sources

I'm currently researching this lovely man and have found the following links which may be useful here:

The writer seems to be doing his damnedest to describe a psychopath (in the strict clinical sense) short of saying it outright.
"Possible psychopath" starts to sound like a ludicrous understatement. That he is proud to be called such, that he enjoys any kind of fame, good or bad, is typical of this kind of personality.
I'm not sure this would be a valid source as such, but it looks like it contains a lot of revealing info, particularly the bit about him beating up his mother. But the author is wrong to think that Van Hoogstraten's disease is one that belongs to the rich. A lot of psychopaths are very poor because they tend to have poor impulse control and can't hold down jobs.
Van Hoogstraten's own site. Classic psychopath, even to the point of vaingloriously sacking his own defense counsel and acting for himself.

Ireneshusband 07:10, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Ireneshusband 07:59, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


does anyone know the second names of the children???

[edit] Is the Man "Van"?

Does anybody know if he was born "Van Hoogstraten"? I seem to recall hearing during coverage of his legal processes that he was born plain old "Nicholas Hoogstraten" and added the "van" later on in order to suggest some noble ancestry, just as some Germans add the word "von" to their surnames for the same effect...

Martan 12:23, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I too recall hearing or reading somewhere he'd added in the "van" himself.--A bit iffy 13:14, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Yep, me too, it was on a C4 documentary I think (ricjl 14:07, 5 August 2007 (UTC))

Van Hoogstraten is actually be a common Flemish name. But in Dutch 'Van' isn't a sign of nobility, it only means that your family is originally from the Hoogstraten region (from common origin, not nobility). The ones without 'Van' must have lost in the past somehow (3 people are listed in the Belgian phonebook with 'Van' and 7 without). He might just be restoring the original family name. But the fact remains that he's probably trying to impress people with a fancy name. What an idiot. --Bluezy 10:12, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

The English translation of his name is Nicholas Highstreet. It has been reported by various sources that the choice to add 'van' was, indeed, to impress. E.g. [1]

[edit] Giovanni Di Stefano

Does Giovanni Di Stefano really represent Van Hoogstraten? In the BBC reports of the Raja family's case against Van Hoogstraten in 2005, it says he was not represented. Does anyone have a definitive source for this (i.e. not Di Stefano himself)? DavidFarmbrough 13:48, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Raja Case

With the best will in the world, the section on the Raja case is confused, not helped by the innacurate reporting from the BBC website.

The section needs to deal with:

(1) The trial before Mr Justice Newman in April 2002 when van Hoogstraaten was convicted of manslaughter and acquitted of murder,

(2) The appeal to the Court of Appeal in July 2003, when the conviction was quashed and a retrial ordered.

(3) The retrial before Mr Justice Mitchell in November 2003, when he allowed a defence submission that there was insufficient evidence of manslaughter to go before a jury.

(4) The prosecution's unsuccessful appeal to the Court of Appeal in December 2003 against that decision. The Court of Appeal held that it did not in fact have jurisdiction to entertain an appeal. It directed that the matter go back before Mr Justice Mitchell

(5) The hearing before Mr Justice Keith (as Mr Justice Mitchell was not available) at which van Hoogstraaten was bailed to return to court (before Mr Justice Mitchell) to have the matter formally dropped.

Useful assistance is at: http://www.cps.gov.uk/news/pressreleases/archive/2003/137_03.html and http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3301303.stm Informed Owl (talk) 23:25, 26 January 2008 (UTC)Informed Owl

[edit] Origins

If he is of mixed Dutch/German/ English/French origins, is he really also of Danish descent? It seems unlikely: does anyone have anything further on it?

Simonross99 (talk) 20:49, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Arrested in Zimbabwe on charges of breaking foreign exchange laws and possessing pornography in contravention of the Censorship Act

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7210688.stm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.23.64 (talk) 00:15, 1 February 2008 (UTC)