Talk:Nicholas Hoult

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[edit] Age dispute?

Has the dispute on this page over Hoult's age been resolved? It's still listed on the Request for Comment list.--Daveswagon 22:56, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, the dispute has been resolved - I didn't remove it from the RfC list because I assumed it would be deleted automatically. I've deleted it now - thanks for letting us know! --DearPrudence 01:16, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks.--Daveswagon 01:39, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

The debate is far from over. We still do not have reliable citations for his age; they are vastly out of date and derived from unreliable sources such as word of mouth, and school/college newspapers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.5.196.238 (talk • contribs)

The articles from The Telegraph and The Gaurdian both meet Wikipedia's policy for reliable sources and are neither word of mouth nor are they school/college newspapers. Also regardless of whether they are out of date the rate at which a person ages does not change over time therefore if his age is known at any point in time it can easily be derived at any other point from the simeple use of mathematics, so this is a moot point. The bolg written by Hoult himself could be considered word of mouth however Wikipedia's policy states that the subject of an article may be used to verify facts about themselves such as date of birth. If you wish to change the date of birth in this article the burden is on you to find sources stating what you claim to be fact. There is no reason to continue debating this unless you can provide at least one reliable source for the birth date you claim. Stardust8212 19:00, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I do in fact have reliable sources of age confirmation, but contrary to your knowledge, a world exists outside of the internet, and it seems that you only deem online sources to be valuable. It's a silly approach and must be resolved soon by wikipedia, as you are literally ignoring a world full of information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.5.196.238 (talk • contribs)

Actually you're statement is incorrect. Please read wikipedia's guidelines about reliable sources. It is not true that we use only online sources. The important word here is "reliable". We want material from sources that have reputations for checking and rechecking their facts. We also want sources that are easily available to the average reader. A friend of a friend does not count as a reliable source. Don't build up a strawman argument. The burden is still on you to produce a reliable source, onlinee or not.TheRingess (talk) 23:06, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

The Ringess, after a long and thorough read through the wikipedian guidelines, I have come to sympathize with the previous user's plight, despite initally condemning him/her. Wikipedia seems to only validate information if it can be proved online, and the majority of facts are derived from the real world. If you were in fact, an admin, I may heed your words, but wikipedia is for the people, by the people. We are the people, and we can create, or destroy this entire system if we wish to do so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Quantum Density (talk • contribs)

Quantum Density, please note that the above user has also refused to supply non-internet sources which may meet Wikipedia policies (such as books, newspaper or magazine articles) and continues to vandalize the page. We cannot just trust every random person's word that "I just know it's true ok so trust me" and that is why this site is run the way it is and just because there is a world outside the internet does not make the three published sources for age wrong. Stardust8212 14:27, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

The information has been restored to its earlier - and justified - state. His age has been corrected (nineteen as opposed to seventeen), his ethnicity has been addressed, and his birthplace is accurate. I wish to thank you all for this discussion, but you did not assist us in the accurate distribution of information. Only an intervention from the man himself was deemed relevant and thus the information on the page is now correct.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.67.220.44 (talk • contribs)

Your changes have been reverted (not by me) because they were unreferenced. Just saying that "the man himself" intervened is not enough, as it is not verifiable. We already have references for the information on the page now (multiple references, in the case of his birthyear). Please do not add unverified information to the article. --DearPrudence 05:29, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

The page is turning into a farce, why are you allowing this to happen? Leaving the content in a relevant state will suffice, I hope you learn this soon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.67.186.129 (talk) 15:17, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

The page only turns into a "farce" when false information is added without any references to back it up. --DearPrudence 19:20, 28 August 2007 (UTC)