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[edit] Away strip

Away strip is now blue and red, not all black. When I find out how I'll fix it Neil Leslie 10:12, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

If you can give me a source on this I'll happily change it for you. However since the last time NZ played in away colours (@Fiji, on 17th October...they wore white in Port Vila) the strip was all blue, I'm leaving as it is for now. Gialloneri (talk) 15:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes it is all blue now: since 2005 the away strip has changed. From memory the first Nike away strip had red shorts and a blue shirt Neil Leslie (talk) 19:16, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Haha, I just noticed the timestamp on your original comment...stupid me! ~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gialloneri (talk • contribs) 17:09, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merger of NZ Nat Team and All Whites

I definitely beleive that 'New Zealand national soccer team' article should be merged with the 'All Whites' article. The best course would to make the 'All Whites' page a redirect to NZ Nat team page I beleive. -ML


I don't think so, because the 'New Zealand national soccer team' doesn't explain the origins of the white strip.

The 'All Whites' and 'New Zealand national soccer team' are exactly the same team so i dont see why they shouldnt be merged.

Concensus

I agree for the redirect, but the history of the white kit needs inclusion Ianguy 03:40, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I've changed the article All Whites to be a redirect, as suggested by ML earlier. Originally I was going to add text along the lines of "The term 'All Whites' sometimes also refers to Swansea RFC" at the top as a compromise, however it appears that the Swansea club officially uses the nickname "The Whites" instead of "All Whites", so no problemo. Gialloneri (talk) 12:59, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Haka

Does this team perform the Haka before matches? User:Drogo 15:26, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

No. Neil Leslie 02:02, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Likely First Choice Team?

I'm not sure speculation has a place in an encyclopedia article. - SimonLyall 09:32, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

come on, its to show how strong out team could be if we had all our first choice players playing, A lot of people joke about New Zealand at soccer but we could be right up near the 50's in the world rankings or even lower if this team played.

Should 'New Zealand national soccor team be changed to new Zealand national footbal team. Because it says 'New Zealand national football team' in the article it's just the title that says it that way.

Considering the sport is officially called football by the national governing body for the sport, I'd say yes. Gialloneri (talk) 15:22, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wellington Phoenix flag

I see that in the "Current squad" section, Wellington Phoenix is given the Aussie flag sometimes and the NZ flag other times - it would be nice to have some consistency, and (although they do play in the Australian league), it would probably make more sense if the NZ flag was the one used... Grutness...wha? 11:25, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Okaaay... given the less-than-enthusiastic response to this question, let's try another tack. Unless anyone has any objection's I'll change the flags to the NZ flag in a few days time. Speak now or forever etc etc etc... Grutness...wha? 23:16, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
No objections from me... and I don't think anyone else cares. м info 23:37, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
The Phoenix are an Australian team, at least as far as football administration is concerned (they will not represent NZ in the O-league, for example), so they should have the Australian flag. For consistency I guess you'd have to check what flag Berwick Rangers' international players are given :-) On the France national team page the French flag is given to AS Monaco. I have not checked what is done with Derry City, and any international players they might have.Neil Leslie 06:12, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm not convinced. Monaco don't have a FIFA-recognised national team, Derry City doesn't seem to have any international players (though one squad member's father was a great international 'keeper). Berwick's status has changed repeatedly over the centuries to the point where many people don't realise it's actually in England (they don't have any international players, either). A better comparison would probably be the use of the Welsh flag for Cardiff City, Swansea City, and Wrexham on Wales national football team, despite them being in the English league and none of them being eligible to compete for Wales in European competitions. Similarly the Canadian flag is used for Toronto F.C. players who play internationally, despite that team playing in a U.S. league. In both the Welsh and Canadian cases, the situation is very similar to NZ - one pro team playing in another country, with only a semi-pro league available at home. Grutness...wha? 23:35, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
I'll have to go with Grutness on this one, Wellington Phoenix should have a NZ flag. This is consistent with Toronto FC players, as well as the before mentioned Welsh teams. м info 04:55, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
The Phoenix are an NZ-based team in an Australian league, which causes tonnes of hassles when it comes to FIFA club status. However since they've signed away the right to play in the AFC Champions League and are currently being positioned to play in the O-League, it sounds like they are officially an Oceanian team, and thus should have an NZ flag. Gialloneri (talk) 15:20, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Just a brief note here. Wellington Phoenix are NZ team as a sub-licensee of NZF's A-license. NZF is the licensee and the FFA is the licenser. They play in the A-League as an international team invited from NZ. Although A-League is an Australian administrative competition it can be categorized as an international league as well as that the Wellington Phoenix and the NZF have no voting rights in the FFA because they are not an Australian club. Topsaint 05:32, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] James Pritchett Mislinked

This player's link leads to an American Actor from the 1920's —Preceding unsigned comment added by Liioadin (talk • contribs) 23:39, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Players on loan

I notice that some squad members are listed next to the names of teams they're on loan to, others against teams they're on loan from. Some consistency would be nice either way - which is normally done with other similar articles? Grutness...wha? 21:51, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rory Fallon

/* Notable players */ So that there is no confusion about his allegiance. Rory Fallen has not applied in the 2004 window for change of allegiance for over 21s and so he can never be available for NZ. Since this is about the New Zealand Football Team. He does not deserve a mention under the NZ notable players. He lost his opportunity.Topsaint (talk) 12:14, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Could we please get a reference on this ? I haven't seen anything official regarding his status, the last word out in the media (that I've seen) being that Ricki was still trying to find a way to get around that rule. However I agree in leaving him off the list until he actually pulls on the silver fern, if ever (though as you've suggested this won't happen). The reference would be for his player page, but I'm asking on this talk page since you brough it up and to expose it to people in the know who have this page on their watchlist. Cheers! Gialloneri (talk) 14:15, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi Gialloneri, sorry for not getting back to it quick enough, but you won't see any media other than the Yellow Fever Forum (Wellington Phoenix Fan Forum site) about this and very unlikely to see it in the sport page unless there was it was sensational enough or a Billy Harris side comment. Graham Seatter (NZF CEO) made a post on yellow fever forum on 24th sept 2007 addressing his eligibility. Here is the url address. http://www.yellowfever.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1444&KW=&PID=75332#75332. He uses the name "Seatts" to address a few things but everyone knows that it is him. There isn't any media reports on it because it was very pointless to splash it over the papers and does not serve any decent purpose as well as not being sensational enough. The window of opportunity is fully and completely closed for him to apply unless IFA & FIFA conducts a new set of criteria on the player rule, which is unlikely to happen for years.Topsaint 05:32, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removing Michael McGlinchey

I am going to remove McGlinchey off the page. He has not applied before his 21st birthday on the 7th Jan 2008 for change of allegiance according to a fan who contact Graham Seatter and Chris Killen and posted his findings. http://www.yellowfever.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4235&KW=McGlinchey&PID=138559#138559 . I think this is genuine. If anything to suggest otherwise please list the reference here but until he actually pulls on the silver fern or the rampant lion or even on tour with either, then he's not on. There has been no talk of him in any team, He would certainly be available for the Oly-Whites because he is good enough for us as a U23. But nothing is seen so everything is seems to be true. Topsaint 19:34, 20 March 2008 (UTC)