Talk:New York Times Co. v. Sullivan

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all we want to know is did he have to give the money back...we're confused...we're writing a paper here...and we need info...HELP! thanks!

Did who get what money back? Postdlf 04:18, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 THIS IS AWESOME! 2 Burden of proof = success? 3 Photo of the ad? 3.1 Copyright Examination request

[edit] THIS IS AWESOME!

YAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[edit] Burden of proof = success?

Because of the extremely high burden on the plaintiff, and the difficulty in proving essentially what is inside a person's head, such cases rarely, if ever preval against public figures.

This doesn't make sense at all (not to mention the misspelling of "prevail". It is the plaintiff that would bring the libel charge, who then has to meet the high burden of proving the malice of the defendant. That would imply that it is hard for a plaintiff to win such a case. Presumably the plaintiff, i.e. bringer of action, i.e. the one alleging wrong, would be the public figure. I think it should say "if ever prevail for public figures". - Keith D. Tyler ¶ 21:30, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Photo of the ad?

Is it possible to get a picture of the ad? It would really help the article. --Cdogsimmons 23:44, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Tha original add is reproduced in Make No Law, and could be scanned in from a copy of that book. It would need a fair use ratrionale. DES ^(talk) 05:29, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright Examination request

The image involved here is a reproduction of a full-page New York Times ad, originally published on 29 March 1960. The ad was the subject matter of New York Times Co. v. Sullivan a very important case in US Constitutional law, and so an image of the actual ad might well be considered "iconic" and "historically significant" It is surely not replaceable by anything else. Lewis, the author of Make no Law, the classic book-length study of the case, used the reproduction as the frontispiece for that book. Surely this is a transformative use, and equally surely there is no current commercial market for an image of a newspaper ad from 1960. Furthermore, since the ad was published in the US before 1964, and all of its authors were US nationals, it is now in the Public Domain in the US unless copyright on the ad (which would have belonged to the fund-raising committee that wrote the ad, not to the Times) was renewed. The committee was surely disbanded long before the renewal period in 1988-89, so the copyright is unlikly to have been renewed, and a search of the on line renewal records at the Library of congress reveals no such renewal -- but for such short works the records are not always complete, or may be filed under a misleading heading. Still perhaps this constitutes sufficient due diligence? I have a copy of the book which contains the reproduction of the ad, and a scanner. DES ^(talk) 23:03, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure about this. Normally at Wikipedia we're very wary about making claims that copyright wasn't renewed based on just searching online alone. I think Project Gutenberg has some lawyers that further investigate copyright status if they think some very important work has fallen into the public domain but if it's just something like this they probably wouldn't bother. I would just tag it fair use, which it clearly is in an article about the court case. Calliopejen1 (talk) 14:55, 25 January 2008 (UTC)