Talk:New Monasticism

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Assessment comments The following comments were left by the assessors: (edit · refresh) The following points should be considered with this article. 1. This article does not explain why the new monastic movement is monastic. 2. The term 'new monasticism' needs to be given a history. It appears that this is a fairly new term being promoted by a few people. Many people who are identifeid as leaders of the new monastic movement would have found the term a misnomer and did not consider themselves to be associated with a monastic movement. For Example... Why are Catherine Dougherty and Dorothy Day mentioned as leaders of the movement. 3. It is not clear how many of the representative groups listed have adopted the 12 points of new monasticism as an ideal. This should be noted, and true new monastic communities should receive a special designation. 4. Many of the non-movement examples, such as the Catholic worker movement, Madonna House etc... do not understand themselves as being monastic. Many of them would hearken back to other non-monastic traditions such as the Franciscan or Friars. 5. It does not seem to be in line with wikipedia's standards to have a page defining a term that seems to be written by the term's originators. Instead of having an article written from the perspective of an outsider observing the movement, this article appears to be written by practitioners of the movement to give their vision for the movement. There are very few outside sources for this article. 204.185.77.119 (talk) 00:56, 4 March 2008 (UTC)monk

[edit] Empire?

In the list in the introduction, the first item speaks of "abandoned places of Empire." What on earth does that mean? Can someone clarify this? MishaPan 15:32, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I believe it is a phrase which stems from the Orthodox Church in the Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Empire. Monks and other monastics who sought to escape the clamor of day to day activity would traverse the land and take up residence in and around the isolated frontiers of the empire, where they could be left alone to practice their ascetical and devotional efforts in peace.(Rosewater Alchemist (talk) 03:56, 16 April 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Needs more work...

this page is awful. a wiki shouldnt be a page full of links, it is supposed to be an encyclopedia entry on a subject. I dont know enough about "New Monasticism" to write an article about it, but someone needs to fix this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fozzymandias (talk • contribs) 20:13, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Seriously, this page needs to be updated... and quickly... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.154.44.161 (talk) 19:20, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Someone left a comment in the Communities section about which identify themselves as new monastics. I went through the links and removed the ones with no mention of NM. Many of the communities shared similar values and beliefs, and are doing similar work - but I removed them anyway because (1) there were too many links, and (2) if the people don't associate themselves with the new monastic movement it is unfair (and possibly misleading) for anyone else to. Lexi kate (talk) 19:02, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Who says that it is unfair? One doesn't need to use "new monasticism" to be a part of the movement. There are many different movements with participants who don't self-identify with the movement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.116.11.242 (talk) 05:53, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

The Simple Way was definitely not founded in the late 1980s as the article states. I don't know if other communities identifying themselves as new monastics were founded in the 80s, but the Simple Way was started in 1998. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.181.237.188 (talk) 21:53, 18 May 2008 (UTC)