Talk:New Criticism

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Contents 1 Neutrality flag 2 Support statement, please 3 Criticism of New Criticism Link 4 Works chronology might be changed 5 John Hopkins Link 6 Bad Link That Requires $80 Subscription 7 footnotes 8 A sentence question

[edit] Neutrality flag

I don't know a lot about this, but this reads as biased against this style from w hat I see. Please correcT(and remove flag) if I am wrong.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.72.82.57 (talk) 05:39, 21 February 2007 (UTC).

actually, the article is quite sound. removed flag. --Janneman 13:39, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. The assumption that New Criticism is politically conservative smacks of dull bias. In my edit, I left this view in as representative of one stance (a simplistic one) but added some reasons why New Criticism is also politically radical (the Southern Agrarians, poststructuralism, etc.). What gets lost in all this, of course, if the act of close reading itself, which gets short shrift in this article. Unfortunately, I don't have time to correct. But, obviously, the most objective approach to the topic would be to simply describe close reading.

[edit] Support statement, please

From the introductory paragraph:

At their best, New Critical readings were brilliant, articulately argued, and broad in scope, but sometimes they were idiosyncratic and moralistic.

The article never really returns to this point. Could we have something to back this assertion up?

Anville 16:49, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

True, I think it is an important point and should be explicated.

Could someone address this please? Addirow 21:13, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

This statement, from Key Concepts paragraph four, also needs to be supported, reworded, or removed:

Both schools of thought might be said to anticipate the 21st century interest in electronic artificial intelligence, and perhaps lead researchers in that field to underestimate the difficulty of that undertaking.

Anila Wafer 00:09, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism of New Criticism Link

The page from the link "Criticism of New Criticism" is, I think, really not up to the standards of a reputable source. Essentially, it seems to be just some random guys opinion. There are scores upon scores of criticisms of New Criticism better than this, and I would very much suggest replacing the link with something, anything, else. Corbmobile 01:37, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I wholeheartedly agree. The Johns Hopkins link gives a pretty balanced view of the topic, but if we want a second, more contrary link, there are probably better ones than this. Thomas1617 19:24, 4 March 2007 (UTC) Thomas1617

agreed & removed. --Janneman 13:42, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Works chronology might be changed

To me it seems the Ransom article should be moved to the top of the Works list, to orient the reader chronologically. I know Eliot and Richards really kicked the 'movement' off, but from what I understand it was Ransom's essay that gave the nomer. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Moses sheperd (talk • contribs) 09:26, 11 March 2007 (UTC).

Also, dates should be given for all these works (?)

[edit] John Hopkins Link

It seems that whenever I try to get to the John Hopkins link, I need a username and password. Is it possible to get a link that doesn't need one? 71.166.43.227 12:30, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bad Link That Requires $80 Subscription

I deleted the following link because it's subscription-only and the subscription costs $80.

• New Criticism from the Johns Hopkins Guide to Literary Theory

Someone immediately reverted my deletion claiming that it's still a useful link. It was my understanding that WP articles aren't supposed to link to subscription-only destinations. This seems to be a heavily monitored entry and I don't want to get into a flame war, but just putting it out there that that is not in fact a useful link and someone should find something that's actually useful. Even a mirror site with that info would be OK from my perspective. Aroundthewayboy 20:53, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it's too bad that access to that site costs money. If another reference article of the same or better quality were available for free, I'd be all for substituting it. As it is, many educational institutions will have paid for access to the Johns Hopkins Guide site, and since the audience for this article is probably largely students, it seems reasonable to keep it. If you have more useful links on the subject, please add them. -- Rbellin|Talk 21:22, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

I did a little more searching and turned up a free link to the same article here. I'll add this to the article. -- Rbellin|Talk 21:49, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

I completely disagree that most users would be students. I believe the WP policy is not to include subscriber-only links.Aroundthewayboy 15:17, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

I refer you to [[1]].

Unless you have an argument much better than what you have proposed so far, you are in violation of Wikipedia policy. I am deleting that subscription-only link and appreciate the fact that you found a non subsciption link. Aroundthewayboy 15:21, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Please note that the policy on external links explicitly exempts article references (and see also recent discussion of this policy. I think you're being a bit hasty with the accusation of policy violation, since this essentially amounts to deleting a reference from the article because it's not freely available on the web. And retaining a link to the official published version of the reference seems quite harmless to me. Still, I don't care enough about this to revert your deletion. -- Rbellin|Talk 15:31, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Hm, I think you're right, actually. That is a very poorly worded policy, hence my and other people misreading it. Aroundthewayboy 23:29, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] footnotes

I think someone should fix the footnotes, I tried to work out the formatting so that one footnote doesn't appear 9 times, but I couldn't make it work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.224.39.36 (talk) 00:19, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Footnotes fixed. 128.135.208.130 10:53, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A sentence question

Is the following sentence a typo or am I misreading it?

"The Southern Agrarians, for instance, enfolded New Criticism's emphasis on irony into their anti-authoritarianism and criticism of the emerging culture of spending, consumption, and progress but — in the view of such writers as Robert Penn Warren — authoritarian populism early in the 20th century." Katalogon (talk) 14:53, 27 May 2008 (UTC)