Talk:Nespresso
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[edit] Weaknesses of the concept
It is true that most of the text reads like an advertisement for Nespresso. To balance this I had started a section called "Weaknesses of the concept" that had been polished by several users until it got wiped away by 83.250.202.216 in April. What does the Wikipedia community thinks from this?
User:160.39.38.223 22:54, April 30 2007
Some of the content of the above section has been added to a new section "A novel philosophy". The aim of this section is to compare the nespresso concept, user, market to the traditional expresso market.
User:160.39.38.223 20:14, May 11 2007
- Thanks for your contributions, although the name did not meet Manual of style standards, I have renamed this section 'Criticisms' and moved it to the bottom of the article, per other articles raising criticism. I also took the opportunity to re-align some point-of-view issues I had with it. This may not be perfect, but it's on its way. M0RHI | Talk to me 09:11, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
(Nespresso pro). I have to agree, even though the coffee looks fantastic, it isn't terribly good. it is just plain flat. and all of the different "flavors" taste more or less the same, the only real difference seems to be the degree of roasting, caffeine content, amount of coffee in capsule and color ;) --83.243.187.80 17:49, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Caption
Please put a caption on the image at the top. It seems to be an intact Nespresso capsule, but I wouldn't want to guess at it. Lou Sander 15:53, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Nespresso quality
Most of this reads like publicity for nespresso - there are allegations out there that the contents of the capsules aren't as high quality as nestle make out (they don't seem to claim any of their blends being "100% arabica") and that they are producer-unfriendly.
My own nespresso machine seems to artificially froth the crema as well.
If anyone has some evidence or references as to how the nespresso system works it would nice to read here.
The crema is produced by first the brief flow of air then water through the capsule. There is absolutely nothing fake or artificial about it. The fine crema, or "lid" is how you judge the quality of espresso. Do a simple sugar test - sprinkle a few grains of sugar over your Espresso's crema. It should stay in place and not let the granules through for at least 10 seconds. Good luck finding a crema that will stay around for 10 seconds -- unless you have Nespresso. Nespresso uses a closed system - meaning that they can grind the coffee precisely to match the exact pressure/temperature of the machine it is used in. this is unique to Nespresso. I have machines both at work and at home. I refuse to drink coffee anywhere else unless prepared by a Barista (they have Nespresso at home too btw)
81.153.171.117 19:12, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
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- Well that was my point. As for the artificial frothing - I appear to be able to see that with my own eyes. 86.140.210.44 19:16, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
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- Reads to me like some junior marketing monkey from Nestle's been given some homework. rcrowdy
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- We have a nespresso pro system at work. The coffee produced by the system looks great and also has the right texture to it, however the taste is not fabulous. I think adding a text like "The system is of fairly high quality, but there are disagreements as to the quality of the coffeeblends offered". Any text about "premium" blends I would strongly disagree to. --Godal 22:01, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Capsule size
How about something on the approximate size of the capsules, and the amount of coffee in each? (I'm having trouble visualizing this from the photos provided -- and is a capsule good for one cup, for ten cups, or ????) Lou Sander 22:49, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
One capsule is 7 grams of freshly ground hermetically sealed coffee. One capsule/One cup.
[edit] Good coffee
I have 2 Nespresso machine, and I don't know for a fact, but by experience, this is the best home made espresso system. The coffee is never too bitter. The artificial look of the froth is produce by the unusual high pressure of the water is (19 bar). This is usually only seen on professional machines like the ones in restaurants.
The capsules are for each cup.
[edit] Monopoly position
This really does read like an advert. It makes no reference to the fact that Nestlé have gained a monopoly position over users of this product, since users have to purchase their coffee capsules (a complement good). Nestlé seem to be giving extremely good deals to retailers to stock the machines (retailers are lined wall-to-wall with the machines) in order to gain outrageous profits on the capsules. It seems very unfair and unreasonable that Nestlé don't at least license out the technology to others (Cafédirect???) to enable them to produce their own coffee. [Perhaps they do - I have no idea.] In my mind, the price of the capsules is a MAJOR criticism that doesn't get a mention here. But since I know next to nothing about this topic (other than what I have observed in stores), I won't edit the actual page.
- I don't think the term monopoly can really be used against a manufacturer being the only supplier of consumables for their product. Wikipedias own definition mentions this is the case when there is a lack of viable substitute goods. This is obviously not the case in the pod coffee market. Thus I don't think it is reasonable to mark Nespresso as a monopolised market. Jtowler (talk) 09:56, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Coffee Amounts
Another issue: Nespresso machines do not allow users to fine-tune the strength of a beverage as can be done by a traditional pump espresso machine, which allows more control over the amount of ground coffee used per shot. Nespresso users do, however, have the option of making a 'long' or 'short' espresso with any of the blends.
I'm sorry but I disagree with this. I own two machines, I can even put the models here so you can see that this is untrue at least for two of them and I'm sure it's untrue for all the models. One of them you have to press the button as long as you want the coffee and in the other you can do exacly do the same thing (or even adjust the whole long and short ammounts you speak off) even though it has two pre-programed ammounts (Those that are recommended).
[edit] Article is Bias
I believe the article is bias. It constantly mentions how you must buy the capsules from Nespresso and the negatives but this article does not state a lot of positives. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.40.170.51 (talk) 00:58, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
- Of the three nespresso machines I have used all allowed this functionality - and i didn't get the low end one as it is 'manual' i.e. forces the operator into choosing amount of water. Jtowler (talk) 09:52, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
