Talk:Neo-noir

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Contents 1 Examples 2 Neo-noir merger proposition (copied from film noir Talk page) 3 A portmanteau? 4 Huh?

[edit] Examples

I'm going to delete the examples Confidence and The Ice Harvest because I think these two films are a.) not really popular (compared to most of the other examples) and b.) are not really praised by critics. I'm going to add Se7en because this film a quintessential example of this genre. --Wutschwlllm 20:00, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm surprised Batman and Batman Returns made it on the list. They both seem like typical Hollywood fare. I can understand "Batman Begins" being on the list, maybe not so much the visual cues, as opposed to the character development. But I'm no expert on film studies, so I couldn't really define neo-noir.--Fshafique 03:56, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Where would you put LA Confidential, Hollywoodland, and The Black Dahlia? In calssic or Neo-noir? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.220.70.152 (talk) 19:27, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

There should be more neo-noir films from the late 60's and 70's. Films like "Chinatown" and "Le Samourai" are perfect examples of the neo-noir genre. M.Komar —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.228.17.131 (talk) 02:00, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Neo-noir merger proposition (copied from film noir Talk page)

There's been no case made for this merger proposal. I'll briefly say I oppose it: the film noir article is clearly designed to survey the entire history of film noir, from its aesthetic roots, through the first readily identifiable examples of the form in the 1930s, through the classic era of the 1940s and 1950s, through the post-classic years to the present. Given that the "neo-noir era" is well into its fifth decade, the current length of its coverage in the article seems appropriate. The neo-noir article certainly could be expanded, in order to provide coverage outside the scope of the film noir article: detailed discussion of specific neo-noirs and their interrelationships, a detailed survey of definitions and theoretical considerations of the contemporary field, the connections between neo-noir filmmaking and contemporary hardboiled/noir fiction writing, etc. The neo-noir section here might be used as a guideline for some of that, but needs to remain in this article to give a comprehensive picture of the film noir field.—DCGeist 16:05, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree with that. KarlBunker 17:26, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I support the merger. The film noir article requires no detailed discussion of neo-noir but an overview. Interested parties can and will click to the main article (Neo-noir), which has long been in need of well-researched fleshing out. That's in keeping with the format of Wikipedia. Jonathan F 22:51, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

What are those opinions based on? The definition of Film Noir itself is so amorphous that is seems entirely open to debate to state that up to the year 19xx is "regular" film noir, and after that year is this other thing, "neo-noir," which belongs in its own article. Rather than arguing that the Neo-noir article needs fleshing out, one could just as easily argue that it should be deleted as "such a minor branch of a subject that it doesn't deserve an article" (per Wikipedia:Deletion policy). KarlBunker 01:56, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A portmanteau?

I'm not sure if Neo-noir qualifies as a portmanteau because it seems to me that neo is used more like a prefix, or something external to the word attached to it so that it is not confused with classic—in this case—noir. I may be wrong, and that's why I didn't delete/re-word the sentence, but I thought if I pointed it out, a portmanteau expert could make the proper change if any is required. JamisonK (talk) 04:56, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm positive that it is NOT a portmanteau. Adding a prefix to a word does not make the new word a portmanteau. A portmanteau must be a blend of two words like smoke+fog=smog. I'll delete the word. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ambergrislightning (talk • contribs) 21:42, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Huh?

The Big Lebowski? Layer Cake? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.97.0.222 (talk) 20:40, 29 May 2008 (UTC)