Talk:Nekromantix/Archive 1

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Contents 1 Band name 2 Influences & style 3 Peek 4 Photo 5 Band members' names

[edit] Band name

Is it really called the Nekromantix? Most people I know refer to them as Nekromantix only. --67.83.48.21 02:43, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Just Nekromantix. --68.190.244.195 04:02, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Has the name Nekromantik actually got something to do with corpse divination, nekromantia in Greek? --62.47.56.127 15:51, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Well of course it does. It's a combination of "necromancy" and "romantics." There is no "the" in the band name, though it is implied, similar to the Ramones. So, say, if you were to write it in a sentence, you wouldn't capitalize "the" as it isn't part of the name (unless it was the first word in the sentence of course). --IllaZilla 02:27, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Influences & style

Why no discussion of there influences, nor how much they reference horror. --24.111.164.187 18:02, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm working on improving the article, including a section for "style" that will include those elements. Check back another time, it'll be there soon. --IllaZilla 02:27, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Peek

Anybody know the real name of Peek, the band's original drummer? I was able to find most of the other members' real names in the album credits & added them to the article but I couldn't find his. I don't have the first album so I don't know if he's named in it, but if anyone could provide some source for his name it would help improve the article. Likewise for Tröy Deströy and Andy DeMize. --IllaZilla 05:21, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Peek's real first name is Sebastian and he is not interested in anybody knowing his last name.KimNekroman 05:21, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Well whether he is interested or not, it would improve the articles by making them more iinformative and accurate. I was hoping that someone could provide a source so it could be referenced. --IllaZilla 19:11, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm probably one of the only ones knowing his last name, I respect his wishes and wont tell you. KimNekroman 05:46, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

That's fine, no harm in asking. Just trying to improve the article. --IllaZilla 19:58, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Photo

We need a photo for the infobox. I haven't had much luck providing photos for band articles, as other editors/admins don't seem to think that fair use justifies using promotional images and any uncopyrighted photo I find on the internet & put in commons just winds up getting deleted later. So if anyone else who is better at getting images approved could provide one, that'd be great. --IllaZilla 15:58, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

There are plenty of great photo's on their Label Hellcat Records/Epitaph Records for download. There are also updated photos on the bands myspace page. --KimNekroman 16:05, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

That is true, however those photos are copyrighted and Wikipedia does not allow the use of copyrighted images if they can reasonably be replaced by a free one. Since it would be fairly easy to take an uncopyrighted live photograph of a band, copyrighted photos in band articles are generally not allowed. --IllaZilla 19:09, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

There is a reason for the label to have a "press picture" section....there are there for the same purpose. As for using pictures in general you just remember to credit photographer. --KimNekroman 16:17, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I realize that the press photos are there for others to use. However, Wikipedia is not press, it's an encyclopedia, and has strict guidelines on the use of non-free content in articles. Basically although I'd like to put in a picture from the band's press releases, it would just get deleted by an administrator. Believe me, I've had it happen to me in other articles. Since press photos are copyrighted, Wikipedia policies place restrictions on their use. One of those restrictions is that the image can't be used if it could be resonably replaced by a free (not subject to coypright) image that shows the same thing. So since it would be pretty easy to take an uncopyrighted photo of the Nekromantix in concert and upload it to Wikimedia Commons so it could be used in various Wikiprojects, Wikipedia admins won't allow us to use a copyrighted press photo. Believe me, if I had the opportunity to take my own picture of the band and put it on here, I would. But since I don't, I'm asking if anybody else has a free picture that they took that they would be willing to contribute to this project. --IllaZilla 20:29, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Band members' names

A couple of editors have repeatedly taken out the real names of the band members in favor of their stage names, particularly Nekroman's. Now, when I wrote the article I got all of their real names from the song credits on the actual albums. All of them are credited "Gaarde/other member." This makes it clear that Nekroman's real last name is Gaarde. I'm not sure if Kim is his real first name, but if you are using the Windows Media Player service to look up album information the credit comes up "Dan Gaarder." Not sure what to make of that. The fact that Nekroman uses his real last name Gaarde in the credits of every album makes it clear that "Nekroman" is a stage name, not his legal name. It is therefore completely appropriate to give his actual name in the article and explain how he adopted the stage name (which the article presently does). So, I have to ask you to please stop changing it unless you can provide some source that either gives his real name or proves that Nekroman is his legal name. In the meantime I'm going to use the albums themselves as references for the names, and you should not remove referenced information. --IllaZilla 16:37, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

You are using unreliable sources, "Gaarde" is not Kim Nekromans real name, it is a synonym he uses when registering songs as songwriter. There there is no "Kim Gaarde". You should check the album sleeves and you will see no indication of a "Kim Gaarde". You are assuming its a real name and therefor not using facts. Second you seem to accepted some of my edits such as labels since that was completely wrong too. You also credit the wrong songwriters all over the place. Please leave my edits there since they are correct and your are not. --KimNekroman 16:57, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I left some of your edits like those to the record labels because I don't have those those albums myself (ie. the original release of Brought Back to Life), so in the absence of my own ability to provide a reference I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. However, I have now provided a reference for the fact that Nekroman's real name is Dan Gaarde. You can see it here. I admit I was making an assumption earlier when I put his name as Kim Gaarde, but this source indicates his name is Dan. I will be making the necessary changes to the album articles to reflect this, and citing this source. As for the songwriting credits, in looking back I admit there were a couple of errors but it is completely appropriate to list the songwriters' names in full in the album articles if they are known. This is particularly pertinent on some of the Nekromantix's releases as there have been 2 Sandorffs in the band so it is important to distinguish between the two. As it stands now, unless you can provide a reliable source for your information then please do not change it. --IllaZilla 19:07, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

His name is NOT Dan Gaarde, please take that away since it took a long time to remove that from various sites when somebody originally posted that on here. The source you are refering to is NOT reliable. You should use only official sites like label and band sites. Please dont let wikipedia lose its credibillity using random sources that probably got their wrong info from wikipedia in the first place. --KimNekroman 19:07, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Firstly, there are plenty of reliable sources outside of label and band websites. In fact, Wikipedia requires that articles rely more heavily on reliable third-party sources than first-party ones. Second, what makes that source unreliable? It is a northeast Florida newspaper published by N2U Publishing, Inc. and as such should fact-check its articles. I don't know what you mean by "somebody originally posted that on here." As far as I can tell this is the first time it's been put in a the article (based on the page history). The bottom line here is that I have provided a reference and you have not. If you can provide a better one, fine, but if you remove referenced information from articles it may be considered vandalism. --IllaZilla 19:27, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I find it weird that you ask for pictures and dont use the obvious sources but use weird unreliable sources when it comes to facts? Dear IllaZilla, I am the person in question so I would be considered a very reliable source. Thanks --KimNekroman 19:27, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

The whole "Dan Gaarde" actually originated from this very page when somebody randomly wrote it. I find it terrifying that people can write wrong info here, then its corrected and years later it comes right back..now regarded as a reliable source --KimNekroman 19:35, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Since we've both already violated the three revert rule, I propose we let this cool off for a while. I'd like to leave the name in for the moment as it does have a reference, and we can both spend some time looking for other references to support our claims. If you've got any references that talk about Nekroman's or the others' stage names and what their actual names are, please post them here. I'll do the same as I find more. Then we can come to a consensus and maybe get some other people to weigh in on the matter as well. --IllaZilla 19:37, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I dont think its fair to leave WRONG info up, just because a person so strongly wants there to be a real name AND a stage name.--KimNekroman 19:40, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh hey, I guess we just posted at the same time. The reason I felt it important to supply real names is that in these articles we are listing the performers under their stage names, then under the songwriting credits we're listing them as they appear on the albums, with names that don't match those of the performers. So it's pertinent to note somewhere in the article which stage names belong to which songwriters, so readers can make the connections and so that credit is given where it is due. This is often done in Wikpedia articles on bands and albums in order to give more accurate information. With the Nekromantix it can get a bit tricky as both the stage names and the songwriting credit names appear on the same album sleeves, and some members have used stage names while others have not. That's why I've been trying to make things more accurate. Anyway, if you really are Kim Nekroman and the whole thing really is a mix-up, then I apologize. I'm just trying to write better articles and follow Wikipedia's policies on verifiability. So if you've got some links to sources/articles/etc. that would help correct these errors, support what you've said here, or improve the articles then please provide them. I'd be happy to add them into the articles to make them more accurate. In the meantime I'm going to leave things as is until tomorrow. --IllaZilla 19:47, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate your efforts to update this BUT you have to understand that people out there believe this is correct and this very site is the reason for sources with wrong info because jokers has put random info up here. In the case of "Dan Gaarde" that somebody put as real name years ago and now it has come back because people wanna believe wikipedia is correct. Again I'm saying be very carefull with assuming things especially when it comes to registering songs it is not unusual for artists to use alias'. Also be carefull when you refer to a different language'd source that translation can be a source of confusion. Wikipedia source policy is great in theory only problem is that everything on the internet is not trustworthy and just because some kid writes something in a personal journal it doesnt make it right. I say always go by the bands and labels websites anything else needs very very strong proof of reliabillity or you and wikipedia will be the source of faulty information used many places.

Please check Nekromantix' myspace site and website for "FAQ's and other usefull info" made especially for situations like this. I hope to see a corrected version of anything that has to do with Nekromantix, Kim Nekroman and HorrorPops. Thanks --KimNekroman 16:11, 10 August 2007 (UTC)