Talk:Neighborhoods of Jacksonville, Florida

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[edit] Eastside

I sincerely appreciate the efforts of anonymous editor, User:72.192.242.12, to work towards accuracy of this article. Many people (myself included) have made the same mistake as he. As I have spent the majority of my 20+ years in Jacksonville working with the people of the Northside, including denizens of Eastside, I have run into two major misconceptions about the nature of Eastside. Most common, particularly amongst younger, mostly white, residents, living on the Southside, is to look at a map of Jacksonville and presume—quite understandably—that If the northern part of the city is the Northside, and the western part of the city is the Westside, and the southern part of the city is the Southside, then naturally the eastern part of the city must be the Eastside. Seems logical enough. I assume that that's what 72.192.242.12 was thinking when he placed "Eastside" under the section about the Intercoastal. But in fact, it is not so. Accordingly, I've added the history section to try to clarify things.

The other misconception is a more delicate one. Some folks from Jacksonville, primarily older, African American residents, still think of the Eastside as a section equal in standing with Northside and Westside, because that's how it was when they grew up. I learned long ago that it served no purpose to try to explain to a 68-year old man that Eastside was now considered a part of either "Northside" or "Downtown". Why bother debating the issue? Eastside still has the same boundaries that it always had, and it's really just a matter of semantics. I think that in Wikipedia we need to strive for accuracy (hence, my detailed edits), but in dealing with a human being whose world has changed labels, it is more important to be sensitive and respectful than to try to prove a point. Unschool 00:38, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sourcing

This article needs to be sourced. Some of what is stated as fact is contentious- for instance I think most people would consider Arlington it own entity, separate from the Southside, and where does downtown fit in this three-part division? There are several different definitions for the boundaries between neighborhoods, and this needs to be reflected here, or at least discussed.--Cúchullain t/c 22:13, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I totally agree on the need for sourcing. Downtown is not part of a "side" at all! "North"side and "West"side originally meant, "north" and "west" of downtown—it is its own thing.
But I disagree with you about Arlington. You must be under thirty to not realize that Arlington was THE best part of Southside to live in years ago. When young families wanted to live in a nice, but affordable neighborhood, it was to Arlington that they went, and then bragged that they lived on the Southside. I suggest you talk to people aged 45-65 who live in Arlington and ask them what side of town they live on. Most will say, without hesitation, Arlington is part of Southside. 216.199.161.66 23:18, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm under 30:) But my point with that was, some people (or even most people, as you say) may consider Arlington part of the Southside, but I just don't think that's always the case anymore. And since there is no official definition, neither would be wrong. If we had references, we could discuss how these things were though of, by whom, and when. We also wouldn't have to worry about leaving out neighborhoods that don't easily fit, like downtown, the beaches, and the area between Arlington and the Intracoastal.--Cúchullain t/c 01:46, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
This is difficult. I thought the answer might lie in the city website. But while it does divide Southside into two sections (one for Arlington, as this editor has recommended), it has also divided the Westside into two sections—something that I have never seen done before. So I don't consider that to be a reliable source. I also looked at real estate listings. Some include Arlington in their Southside listings, some do not. I'm not sure that there is an authoritative source. 65.80.244.202 07:10, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Westside

I can't help but get the feeling that, whoever it was that wrote all those sections on the Westside, was just writing out of a real estate guide. It makes me want to barf. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the writer had never been to the Westside. Unschool 21:57, 3 February 2007 (UTC)


Hello Unschool. I wrote most of what you refer to above, and I am much older than you, and spent most of my life in Jacksonville since birth. Therefore, consider yourself "SURPRISED". Please add your apology below. My family has also been in Jacksonville since before the War Between The States, and our knowledge of Jacksonville is greater than yours. As for "real-estate", I simply tried to say some nice things about each section of town I added. In fact, what attracted my attention in the first place was some rather foul things written about Paxon, I believe by YOU, in fact. You really should keep your temper in check, and stop using Wikipedia to slam people, and places. I would think that it is a conflict of interest for you to act both as "creator" and "editor" of the Jacksonville Florida section of Wikipedia. It places you in contention with the others who wish to lawfully add their knowledge to the site. You mis-use your power and authority to "DELETE CONTENT" that you disagree with! Your job as a Wikipedia editor is to correct our typo's, and educate us on how to improve what we write. Remember, we are older than you, and have seen, and know more about this area than you. However, it appears that you like to start "EDIT WARS". I hope Wikipedia sees this, looks more closely at your work, and has a talk with you about "attitude." In any case, your various remarks "to me" and "about me" have been useful in helping me learn about Wikipedia. I thank you for that. User:Starfleet7

To anyone who might actually think from these comments that I am a big meanie, please see Starfleet's comments to me, written I believe three days after this, on my talk page. Unschool 21:07, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

As Usual "Unschool", you LIE. as my comment to you on your my talk page was "2 DAYS EARLIER", and on a different subject. not "3 days later" as you state above. You have no class, are are not to be trusted. Please stop mis-representing yourself. I will note to all, that what "I WAS REFERRING" to on your talk page was a compliment that you made about my work. It was only later that I learned that you had simultaneously made "nasty remarks" on this page. In other words, YOU ARE TWO-FACED. JULY 2, 2007 User:Starfleet7

What are you talking about? I'm starting to think that you're just a 12 year old kid who wants to start a fight because it's fun. Do you have anything serious you want to discuss? Unschool 20:05, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge With Main Jacksonville Article

This article should be merged with the main Jacksonville Article or at least linked to as a stub, not as a seperate article.

I would submit that this is far too long either to be included in the main Jax article. It also seems to exceed the length of any stub that I have ever seen, though it does possess some of the same qualities of some stubs. Unschool 21:08, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Map

Thanks for fixing up the map to match the city's website. I also agree with your inclusion of the commonly used terms in the text, though I'm going to try something just a little different, if you don't mind. Unschool (talk) 03:12, 12 December 2007 (UTC)