Talk:Needle gun

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[edit] Diagram of bullet and firing pin

Oh man do we ever need a diagram of the bullet and/or the central gun mechanism and needle. Very very different than anything I've heard of. How does the "broader end of the bullet" form a point? If it's broad, it can't be forming a point. A picture of the entire gun would be nice too, surely someone can take a (cc) picture in a museum and upload it. (Sorry, I clearly have no idea how to draw the bullet, nor do I live in Germany where one might find a Needle Gun on display.) Here's a link to the German page on this gun (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z%C3%BCndnadelgewehr) they don't currently have a diagram or a picture either. They do have some external links, but I don't know how to read German to tell which picture is of the right gun, nor ask in German for a (cc) release of the image, etc. CraigWyllie 03:08, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

We allready have a cut away diagram of both the mechanism and bullets at www.preussenweb.de/armee/gewehr5.jpg - the second external link listed. Not as good as having an inline drawing, I'll admidt, but better than nothing. WegianWarrior 06:58, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Heh heh - so I discovered when google-imaging for another early-breach loading gun and was presented with that diagram by google images as it had found it via answers.com version of wikipedia. Which goes to show - presentation is everything! I certainly hadn't looked at the external links.
I wonder how old that diagram is, whether it's out of copyright? MMmm, wouldn't want to use it directly anyways, it's not extremely clear or well labeled. I can clearly identify the percussion cap, and the "acorn shaped" projectile - however there seem to be two sections on either side of the percussion cap. I know the lower one must be filled with black powder because the article clearly says the firing pin goes through the powder to hit the primer. But what's in the section of space between the powder/primer and the bullet?
I guess I should try my hand at a diagram. CraigWyllie 12:27, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
But what's in the section of space between the powder/primer and the bullet? - My guess is that it is the paper mache sabot, as mentioned in the text. To me, it's the only explanaton that makes sence. I've no idea how old the image is, probaly out of copyright judging by the typeface ('font') used, but no way to be sure. WegianWarrior 12:42, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Translation

Seems to me Zündnadelgewehr is best translated as "needle-firing gun" or "firing-needle gun." Sca (talk) 17:14, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps, but it's been "needle gun" in English for a couple of centuries now. When I break it down and translate it, I get something along the lines of "needle ignition gun"; using the "rimfire" and "centerfire" naming conventions, I suppose "needlefire" would be the ideal translation. scot (talk) 17:27, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Oops, I thought you were commenting on the article title, but then I looked and saw the translation. I think you're right, it should probably be changed. scot (talk) 17:31, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, zūnden is to ignite. Literally Zündnadelgewehr is "igniting-needle gun," but I think the traditional "needle gun" is fine. (For another example of zūnden, you will see on old air-cooled VW blocks the legend Zūndfolge 1-4-3-2, which means "firing order [of the cylinders] 1-4-3-2." Also, a spark plug is a Zündkerze — literally, "igniting candle.")
Now you know. Sca (talk) 18:29, 11 June 2008 (UTC)