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Violation of Public Information

Virgin Atlantic is entered into the the Skyteam alliance via its code-share agreement with Continental Airlines. They will routinely book flights through/with Air France, Continental and other carriers via the Skyteam system. If you again delete the change I have made I will forward this to a Wiki administrator, who can review the included website and draw their own conclusions. I have also included photographs of signs from Heathrow Airport that explicit state that they are part of this code share system = "partners" with Continental. One photograph is more powerful than a thousand words of denial. Additionally, you have indicated that you believe that I have vandalized Wiki. In no way have I done so, based upon the defintion of vandalism. I have simply stated the issues that arise when code-share and alliances are formed among airlines. There is not a coordination of hardware and software facilities, to the extent that it makes travel easier for a passenger. The five pillars of Wiki demand neutrality and that implies that both positive and negative information about any organziation can be posted. And I refer not only to Virgin Atlantic's issues but also to Continental's role. I have no problems with either airline, other than the mass confusion that they create on a daily basis for their customers. Image:Cont-va.jpg Wiseoldowl 05:00, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree with NcSchu -- this text is basically a "rant" about Skyteam and positively unsuitable for an encyclopedia. richi 09:23, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Concorde Photos

You stated in an edit field that you had removed an unnecessary picture. I am wondering if you removed the interior shots of the Concorde from the British Airways article. Interior shots are quite rare and augmented the article accordingly. The photographs were relevant and of good quality (6 megapixel SLR). In the interests of making Wikipedia a better place please do not indiscriminately remove photos without at least contacting the author. It takes a lot of time to format pictures for Wikipedia and add appropriate thumbnails to the articles. It is disappointing when someone elses contribution is the delete key.

Martin J. Galloway --Dotonegroup

Thanks for the clarification. Perhaps you could note specific deletions on the comment feature to avoid confusion. Interior shots of Concorde are indeed rare. Until I had uploaded them to Wikipedia there were none available for viewers. I was not referring to any site outside of Wikipedia since the topic of discussion is Wikipedia and your admission of deleting a photograph. Cheerio.

Virgin Atlantic

I see you removed my comment about the HQ being in Norwalk, Connecticut. I know for a fact that there is an HQ there, so what evidence is had that it is ONLY in Crawley, UK? --NicAgent 23:44, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Usage of the User Monty Python userbox

Hello there...I have come up with a whole slew of new usages for the User Monty Python userbox. They are currently located in my sandbox. I would like your opinion before I put them up for general consumption, and if you have any other suggestions, please let me know.
—Lady Aleena talk/contribs 21:46, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

The reason the words "This user" come first, is that "This user" is not part of the variables. I am not sure how else to handle it right now.
I have also been asked to add images of the Pythons for the Pythons boxes, well, that would take a lot of work, and I am not sure that I can do it right now or should...I am having trouble with the TfD at the moment...so it looks like this template may not be replacing the others, but instead, adding to the confusion.
These have been published to the template, so you can go there if there are any additions you would like to see made. - LA @ 08:49, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Boeing 787

Sorry...just that it happens a lot, even though both the order and cancellation are noted. —Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 04:25, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Singular/plural tense regarding corporations

Just a note, but this is something that differs between various English dialects. In British English, the statements would have been correct as written. —Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 13:27, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Use of commas in dates

Please see your copy of The Chicago Manual of Style, sections 6.114 and 6.115; Gregg Reference Manual 410; etc. It's nice to know that the next generation of copy editors has Wikipedia and its members, some of which are professional copy editors, to learn from. Should you have any questions regarding grammar, punctuation, or usage, don't hesitate to ask. Clipper471 14:28, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

"I don't see anywhere else in Wikipedia where this system is being implimented. And in case you didn't read this website's Manual of Style, it isn't necessary to put commas after dates. I know you're a copy editor, but this book doesn't define Wikipedia style and some of it's "rules" that are in it, but not on wikipedia, shouldn't be followed. Even the wikipedia article you showed me said that the book had only a limited number of followers."
The Wiki manual does NOT state anyway that it isn't necessary to put commas after dates. The Wiki Manual of Style indicates, as do style manuals such as the Associated Press Stylebook, APA, The New York Times Manual of Style, etc., that it covers styles that are troublesome and specific to Wikipedia. It does not cover issues that are widely used and accepted in comprehensive style manuals. The Wiki style manual, as other style manuals, points to other more comprehensive style guides as a preffered source. Rather than reprinting a comprehensive style guide in the Wiki manual, it is understood that whatever isn't covered in the Wiki manual should follow the comprehensive style guide. One last note, Chicago IS the preferred source for professionals in the field, but many don't like how it's organized. And I should also point out that my initial reference of 6.114 and 6.115 was erroneous. The correct reference is 6.46... "...commas are used both before and after the year..." when month-day-year format is used. This is standard, but unfortunately it's a common error for the general public to omit the second comma, which is why you don't see it used in some articles. You can apply the correction now that you are aware of it. Clipper471 16:33, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

787 BBJ orders

I just spotted the mini revert-war going on with the date of the BBJ orders in the Boeing 787 article. You and the anonymous editor are both correct; the article is dated August 6, but if you use the Boeing order report tool to generate ordesr between July 2006 and August 2006 you'll note that there are two unidentified 787s ordered on July 28. ericg ✈ 21:44, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

British Airways EL section

Hi - I saw your request for mediation at MedCab. While I'm a member of MedCab, there's not much negotiation to be done here. Your IP editor has only edited the British Airways article and probably is the disgruntled 'webmaster' of the link s/he adds to the EL section. Therefore, s/he is violating well-established External links and Spam policies that prohibit links to personal websites, and you're perfectly within your rights to remove it.

I've removed the offending link and warned the user with one of the template warnings against spam, which you can find here. If the user persists, remove the link and add the next message in the 'spam' sequence (put 'subst:' in the front first, as demonstrated on that page), until the user has received and ignored both of the remaining spam warnings. If/when s/he ignores a final warning (spam4), report it to AIV using the format you'll find on that page. Be sure you've given a final warning before reporting it to AIV. If you want, you can leave a message about it on my own talk page too, but I may not see it in time to act, and you want to report someone who ignores a final warning sooner instead of later. I've got the page on my watchlist anyway.

Linking to personal sites just to nurse a grudge makes me (and lots of people here) crazy. This user clearly wants to use Wikipedia for his/her own platform against British Airways, and we're not going to allow that. Please let me know if you have questions or need assistance. Happy editing! BaseballBaby 05:31, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi, just to let you know that I agree with BaseballBaby + Addhoc. The mediation case has been "opened" and I've simply recommended the case be given a few more days before taking action with an admin to ban that specific IP address. Hope it's ok with you! Jsw663 19:17, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi, the IP user in question has been blocked for 24 hours and has been advised that if this spamming continues, they would be blocked permanently. Thanks for raising this. Addhoc 10:29, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

BA Orders

The orders of the Boeing 777 have been confirmed internally at British Airways, and whilst this next point is specuation they may have even orderd the Dreamliner as well, but that I can't veriy. However, I have heard from BA management that the 777 orders are definate. Benny45boy 11:41, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Newark Airport

There is nothing in that article you attached to your message regarding start and end dates. If you look at many other airport pages, they are unorganized and inconsistent, which the Newark page is. I have managed to incorporate a strategy into the Detroit Metropolitan Airport page which should be used on all pages as it is cleary legible and understandable. Northwest is replacing the KLM route as they have at the majority of the airports who still have KLM. This is a FACT not an opinion.

Be nice to newbies!

I note your comments to the anon editor 213.210.36.140 re his editting style. Just a quick reminder, but can you please be nice to newbies and welcome them first using the appropriate template? Thanx! Rgds, - Trident13 10:24, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Fact tag on The Mall at Short Hills

While I certainly believe you, our own personal experiences constitute original research and can't be cited as a source. Perhaps the dealer has a page regarding the car show? A primary source would very likely be sufficient in this case. Seraphimblade 01:52, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Virgin Atlantic Airways

I propose the following fixes:

  1. Most importantly, the links in the article do not point to where one would expect if someone to click on them. In discussing where a route goes, the link directs to the city article, as opposed to the airport article. Many (if not all) cities in the article that are linked have separate airport articles.
  2. Link dates.
  3. Consider reorganization of the sections. Fourth-level section headers? I'm sure that the article to be reorganized to reduce the amount of sub-sub-sub headings.
  4. I'd suggest more tables in the "Fleet" section. The list looks like its been copied-and-pasted, and the information would be more efficiently organized in a tabular format.
  5. Very short sections at the end of the article.
  6. Improper use of dashes. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dashes).
  7. Some abbreviations don't belong in a Wikipedia article. I'd recommend removing "tbc."

Hope that helps. Sorry in being so scant (it was about two in the morning here when I edited the article). If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 21:00, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Virgin Group wikipedia advertising

"Advertising" cannot be used in this case. First of all, the obvious point is that Wikipedia states that there is no advertising on this website. Secondly, Advertising is a "paid communication". Virgin Unite did not pay anything to get its image on the Wikimedia pages, it simply offered to match donations to the Wikimedia Foundation and the foundation decided to put the image as it did on all of its websites. Images from almost every major corporation are being utilized on Wikipedia already, yet these are not considered advertising. Why? Because the companies aren't paying Wikipedia to have their images put on here, same as Virgin Unite. I'm reverting it again, please understand my reasoning and do not replace the false statement. Thanks. NcSchu 20:37, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Your insistence that Virgin's purchase of brand equity here is "not advertising" is a great example of why Wikimedia accepting this kind of "sponsorship" or "matching donation" - whatever you want to call it - has the potential to poison editors neutrality and pervert their perception of reality. These are ads. You're wrong. But by all means, go ahead and revert again. ~leif ☺ (talk) 20:44, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Orphaned fair use image (Image:Silverjetlogo.png)

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Bermuda Int'l Airport

re your comment, "Serves area in Infobox is for a city, not for an entire country, I replaced the closest town with Saint George as it is the nearest major town"

Not to make too big a deal of it, but the "entire country" of Bermuda is so small in land area, it's no bigger than Manhattan. Speaking of New York, I note that the Wikipedia article for JFK Airport says, "serves - New York City" not Jamaica on Long Island.

Perhaps the Airport infobox template is misleading, since it says "closest town" but when displayed says "Serves". These are two different things. An airport's service area (more precisely, its "catchment area") is often not the "closest town". If it were, we would say BWI serves Linthicum, Md., and DCA serves Alexandria, Va.! JGHowes 23:06, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Continental and WWII

Your right, I wasn't paying attention and thought this was vandalism. Postoak 04:57, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Virgin Atlantic Airways

No, my edits weren't "vandalism". I have undone your revert. Feel free to remove the fact tags again. richi 02:50, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. I agree the new routes should go back, and have re-instated them. richi 09:35, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Silverjet

I see your point but as they don't actually own it should it be 2 B767...(1 on order from...)? Probably wrong but it seems to imply when i read it now that they own 3 plus 1 on order.--Mcgrath50 09:03, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

That's much better, I remember the tables and think them much better, I for one would support them back.--Mcgrath50 12:38, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Virgin Nigeria and Washington Dulles International Airport

Hi. I noticed that you have reverted an edit about a possible Virgin Nigeria service to lagos from Washington-Dulles. But one user has readded the service and I have reverted it 2 times. The same user stated that it says so on their website and Wikipedia has it too. I am not sure they announced it or it is vandalism. Thanks! Bucs2004 07:11, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I have readded Virgin Nigeria to the Dulles Airport article thanks to a threatening message fom an anon user. Bucs2004 16:39, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
You are correct. If its still a rumor, then it not be listed per WP:Crystal. Many Thanks! Bucs2004 00:41, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

KLM fleet

You removed registrations from the KLM fleet and the write-off of a 737 in Spain in November 2004, which was certainly an incident. What was the reasoning behind this deletion? In consider it useful to have these additions.

regards Wiebe --wiebevl

Request for citations on 'Airlines and destinations' at London Heathrow Airport

Hi.

You removed my request for citations for this section, with the comment:

(removed fact templates ... per Wikiproject Airports, this data is easily referenced through various mediums and requires no template, question specific flights not the whole set)

I've checked Wikiproject Airports, and I can see nothing in the article creation guidelines that suggest that this is a special case, and that the policy Wikipedia:Verifiability can be ignored here. I suspect that a general reader of the WP encyclopedia with an average level of knowledge of the airline industry would not find this information to be 'easily referenced' from other sources. And indeed if it is that easy, then it ought to be equally easy to supply cites, so I don't really understand your objection.

As for the suggestion that I should question specific flights rather than the whole set; I did briefly contemplate doing this, but I though the awfull aesthetic effect of having a fact tag against every flight that wasn't cited was not justified. In any case I assumed that this information came from a single, or small number of sources (eg. the airport web site, or the airline web site for each airline, or from some consolidated flights database).

My inclination is to re-add the fact template, but I don't want to start a revert war. I'd appreciate your comments. -- Chris j wood 12:18, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Virgin Atlantic Airways (again)

It seems our friend at 86.133.177.4 was right—the W refit on all 24 A340s is complete. I found what I hope is a suitable ref ... richi 23:42, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Comment deleted, as you deleted yours ;-) Anyway, your edits look fine to me, except the ref for 'UN doesn't really explain the lack of new W, unless the reader already understands the situation. Is it 2007 already? ... richi 00:11, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

LGW Clickair

Why did you remove the clickair destinations from LGW page? It is known they will be starting. And very much likly this year. Along with several other destinations.Joshrice 23:27, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Ah okay thats fair enough i supposeJoshrice 10:29, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

SRB President?

Hi, I saw your recent edit to the VAA page and was wondering where you got the info re: SRB being president not chairman (I was under the impression these were the same thing).RaseaC 17:55, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

They are basically the same thing, but yes, I forgot to include the article in the comment box. Link. It's pretty much just the change in title along with what the article says. NcSchu(Talk) 18:42, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Quick reply, but the article doesn't mention 'president' the reason I bring it up is because it's very strange to hear the term when discussing a British company, any other source for the title? Because as it stands I would say the link you provided is a reason to remove SRB from the infobox altogether. RaseaC 22:20, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
I was told that he is now president from this forum post. I know it's not a "legal source" but it seems better than completely removing him from the infobox, especially when the article states that SRB will still have influence and is not completely leaving. NcSchu(Talk) 01:30, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Hmmm, I dislike V-Flyer at the best of times, it is essentially a fansite and therefore pretty biased so generally would take anything posted with a pinch of salt. I think if we were to keep SRB in the infobox he should be listed as founder, afterall he is as much assosiated with founding the company as he is running it.RaseaC 10:58, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Well the information is coming from someone who works at the airline, not a fan, as you said. But I agree with changing his title to founder. NcSchu(Talk) 11:46, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
I've made the change. Cabin crew or not, unless it's a press release or someone at the top says so, I wouldn't feel comfortable sourcing it. I doubt the people that serve the tea are the most clued up with regards to the company's affairs! RaseaC 11:53, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

On a separate note, thought you may be interested in these allegations! (P.s. the president thing has been cleared up now; who knew?!) Regards, RaseaC 23:38, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Virgin Group = Conglomerate?

This is more for my own understanding than me really disagreeing with you, as I have no background in business, but I thought in order for a company to be considered a conglomerate it has to own all the businesses it has under its name. If so, the Virgin Group is not a conglomerate. Thanks. NcSchu(Talk) 14:10, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I did not add the Virgin Group to the list. However, I thought that Virgin would qualify based on the many companies associated with Virgin and Branson. Thanks for the thought provoking inquiry. By the way... thanks for the cookie. I eating one right now!JACKSONIAN3623 23:28, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Regarding your edit to the Virgin Mobile USA Talk Page

Welcome to Wikipedia! I am glad to see you are interested in discussing a topic. However, as a general rule, talk pages such as Talk:Virgin Mobile USA are for discussion related to improving the article, not general discussion about the topic. Thank you. NcSchu(Talk) 22:12, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

"As a general rule," it's a violation to edit or delete other users' comment w/o their permission. Reference http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk_page#Editing_comments - You never received my permission, not did you even ask if it was okay with me. Very rude and poor netiquette. - Theaveng 11:41, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Not when it's considered vandalism. I admit it was probably made in good faith and perhaps I should have asked your permission, however there are no "if, ands, or buts" about posting irrelevant information on an article's talk page. NcSchu(Talk) 12:18, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
"Perhaps I should have asked your permission." Yes you should have. YOU are in the wrong, but not willing to admit it. AND ONCE AGAIN YOU'VE ERASED MY CONTRIBUTION to the talk page. You are censoring me, and I don't like it. If you had cause, that would be fine, but here there is no justifiable reason to delete my suggestion to add Audio Codec and Bitrate info. - Theaveng 12:20, 25 September 2007 (UTC)


From the same page you quoted: "Some examples of appropriately editing others' comments: Deleting material not relevant to improving the article". I am not in fact in the wrong, wikipedia talk pages are not forums to discuss things such as audio codecs. NcSchu(Talk) 12:23, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Fine. Then we'll start a revert war. I'll add my contribution to the page, and you keep censoring it like a modern-day communist. Grrr. I have every right to contribute what I think is useful information to wikipedia. Knowing what Audio codec and what Bitrate a cellphone operates IS useful information that should be added (same as that information is shared about Digital radio, iPods, or other digital technologies).
To categorize my contribution as "vandalism" is a lie. - Theaveng 12:29, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
You're certainly not helping the situation encouraging the starting of a revert war and acting rude. Using the world "censoring" is going over board and I don't appreciate being labeled as a communist and a lier. The proper way of continuing would be to get a third opinion using the proper channels. However, now that you've at least expanded a bit on your Virgin Mobile Talk entry it does sound more relevant. Just to reiterate, the reason I reverted the original entry was because the question was phrased like it had nothing to do with contributing to the article but sounded more like you were interested in learning more about the Virgin Mobile network. NcSchu(Talk) 14:49, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
I apologize for my comments, but you made me angry. You erased my contribution not just once, but TWICE, thus YOU started the revert war (you erased my comments, I restored them, you erased them AGAIN, even though I asked you not to). You were acting like you were the Dictator of the page, and made me feel as if I was unwelcome there. - Theaveng 15:03, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
I was following Wikipedia guidelines on relevant information on Talk pages. It was nothing personal and I apologize if I offended you. I should also point out that there is never a starter of any war including a revert war, it is the fault of any and all editors since we both reverted each other's edits. We both thought we were right and perhaps we both are. NcSchu(Talk) 15:20, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
The first time you erased my post, it was not personal; you were just following guidelines.
But the second time you erased my post? That was personal and uncalled for, especially after I asked you not to. - Theaveng 15:26, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Woops!

Thanks for catching that mistake on IAD - I was going through and doing a bunch at once, so I guess it was inevitable that I was going to screw one of 'em up! FCYTravis 22:23, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

The Minor Barnstar
For yeoman's service crawling through a pile of AWAectomies to clean up after me. FCYTravis 22:25, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Airline Fleet Table Color

May I ask why you felt the need to make a couple airline fleet tables all a dull gray color? There's nothing in Wikiproject:Airlines that specifies a color for the fleet table, and many of the ones you changed were more relevant and linked with the color of the airline. I don't see any benefit that making them all gray creates. Thanks. NcSchu(Talk) 23:26, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Plus, over the past few years, I have sort of color coded the tables to match with the alliance they are in. SkyTeam: lightblue, Star Alliance: lightgrey, and oneworld: (some purpulish color...). The rest, I just match the color to their livery/logo colors or just make them white.--Golich17 23:34, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Fair enough fellows, I was just trying to make them more readable. I think they should all be lightblue, but that's me. At the very least, the background should be a light colour, not a dark one. Cheers --RobNS 23:40, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Virgin Atlantic Airways Fleet Table

Please read my response to what you have written regarding the merge proposal of the Virgin Atlantic Airways fleet table.--Golich17 18:25, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Virgin Atlantic Cabin Section

Actually, the description that is currently there is written as if it were an advertisement, which is why I reverted it. It doesn't explain any of the offerings or features of each of the classes. Many airline have their Cabin sections written like this. If you want yours back, I suggest we discuss it rather than keep reverting it.--Golich17 19:30, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

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