Talk:Natural American Spirit

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Oh yeah that so cute. That`s exactly what the consumers wanted to hear, a cigarette that helps native americans and without adaptives. Strange thing it`s produced by the same factories that make the evil cigarettes. I think this is the biggest PR-thing since a long time but it will work. So everyone please smoke the native americans back to life!

they cannot be part of hippie subculture because they were not around then. i don't care what a doctor says. mAybe hipster subculture.

so you're saying hippies don't exist today?

I don't think "hipster" accurately describes it. Maybe "neo-hippie" to distinguish between then and now, but hipster is something different altogether.Renminbi 22:34, 5 April 2006 (UTC)


I think hipster does accurately describe it. At least in the mid-Atlantic region, Spirits are the cigarette of choice by hipsters and company. 12 July 2006

I added John Cusack as a known smoker. I've seen him mention more than once that he smokes the menthol flavor. --Dayshuffler 06:48, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] free basing

I've found on The Why Files that American Spirits still contain more free-base nicotine than the other commercial brands, and are probably less safe from the addiction angle.1 Lowmagnet 15:46, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Organically grown?

The majority of American Spirit cigarettes don't contain organically grown tobacco. There are some varieties that are specifically organic though.Renminbi 22:19, 5 April 2006 (UTC) i was told about the cig.and would like to try them. my name is peggy dickson 441 h ouachita 77 camden ark. 71701 phone # is (870)574-0040. thank you very much

[edit] Organic !?

Todo (for someone): Specify that the cigarettes are not organic. The quote in the 3rd paragraph makes this fact unclear.

[edit] Removal of "Cigarette brands" category

I have removed Category:Cigarette brands from this article because Category:R.J. Reynolds brands is a sub-category of the former. It defeats the purpose of having this subcategory if we're going to list the articles in both. SchuminWeb (Talk) 01:49, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discontinued

I was purchasing a pack today, and was informed that they were discontinued?

-I'm not sure where you live, but they are still available in Chicago i was told about the cis. and i would like to try them i would like to be able to quite smoking all together. so can you help me.

[edit] NPOV

There's a lot of weasely language here, such as "Although the cigarettes are supposedly additive-free," "Natural American Spirit is reported to contain only whole-leaf tobacco," and "Also, the company claims that it doesn't test any of their products on animals, and they purportedly donate a portion of their revenues to Native American charities." Seems to be no need to put all these modifiers in, unless the editor felt that the company is lying about their claims. Dieziege 06:17, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

  • Agreed, this should be cleaned up Cybersavior 09:47, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Known Smokers - Cite Sources

It would be beneficial to this section of the article if contributors would cite their source of information via a web link when available. See the entry for Zach de la Rocha for an example of how to do this.

Furthermore, I would delete the whole section completely. Where is the encyclopedic relevance for this extended and unsourced list? I'm deleting this list right away. Or could anybody in favor of the list please explain why it would matter? It reads more like "see how many really cool and famous people smoke this brand!"-advertising. Hardern 12:00, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, for one, it's a niche product that has gained prominence despite being relatively hard to find compared to Marlboro, Camel, Kool, etc. Its sales and availability are dwarfed by most brands that have as much prominence. Listing people who smoke the brand might shed light on why it's even visible in the landscape of cigarettes in the first place. - Jordinho (the only one who cited a source... what, no applause?)
So? There are plenty of niche products covered throughout Wikipedia, and few of them are affiliated with a specific person. I think its just a waste of space to list every x,y, z celebrity who smokes the brand, or in fact, to reference every product that some famous person uses, unless there is some extraordinary reason why (like the Brown M&M rule in Van Halen). SiberioS 18:42, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Addtives in rolling papers

I sent an email to the Santa Fe Natural Tobacco Company, and got the following info on their rolling papers:

Thank you for your email.

The paper used to make Natural American Spirit Cigarettes contains only natural wood cellulose, calcium carbonate, citric acid, and water.

Wood cellulose is a biodegradable material commonly used in the manufacture of paper products.

Calcium carbonate is a white, water-insoluble, crystalline compound naturally occurring in various forms such as limestone, calcite, and chalk. It serves two purposes in our cigarette paper: to increase the opacity so the tobacco is not seen through the paper and to control the porosity.

Calcium carbonate is also used in toothpaste as a cleaning agent; in pharmaceuticals as a tabletting agent; and in foods as a calcium-containing additive.

Citric acid is a water-soluble acid found in abundance in fruits such as lemons, limes, pineapples, etc. It is used in our cigarette paper to insure that the cigarette burns evenly and that the ash maintains a degree of cohesiveness and doesn't continually flake off.

Water is an essential component of our cigarette paper... without it, the paper would be unduly brittle.

We are often asked if chlorine bleach is used to whiten our cigarette paper -and the answer is no. Our cigarette paper is chlorine-free! The biodegradable, natural wood cellulose used to make our paper is oxygenated as it is washed, thus "fading" the natural-color fibers to white.

We hope this information is helpful to you and we appreciate your interest in our products!

I realize that this info is not exactly verifiable through a reliable source, and it isn't on their FAQs, so I can't put it in the article, but I thought I'd mention it here. —BorgHunter (talk) 05:29, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] removed trivia

I removed the "popular culture" trivia. All of it was of the product merely seen on the screen or a celebrity being a smoker of it. I believe that the bar needs to be higher than just seen on screen or smoked by celeb. If the cigarettes were featured or played an integral part of a work of popular culture, I could see inclusion, but not merely it's presence. Charles (Kznf) 17:17, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I re-removed this popular culture section, based entirely on this guideline WP:TRIVIA and this essay WP:IPC. All of these items were merely appearances of the cigarette. If a movie had been made which featured this particular cigarette as a plot point, I might see it be included, but none of these match that somewhat higher bar. Charles (Kznf) 15:59, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] random comments?

I think there must be something to the actors tending to smoke American Spirit on the screen. I do not think that we are intended to notice the brand, necessarily. It could easily have to do with the visual characteristics of the smoke, or the fact that they burn more slowly and evenly, allowing for multiple takes with the same cigarette.

And, if I may give some personal testimony, I do think that they aren't as bad for you. I switched to A.S. about 8 years ago and now I can't stand the smell of second-hand from other cigarettes, and I will turn down anything but a 'Spirit unless I'm desperate. The other brands have a definite chemical flavor, burn my throat, and give me a headache, whether I am smoking them or near someone who is.

By and large, I do not trust companies, especially those that are large and destructive in an environmental or human-geographic way, like oil and tobacco companies. But to me, these guys seem pretty honest.

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Naturalamericanspirit.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 17:38, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Additive Free

This cigarette is one brand of several additive-free cigarettes. That is to say, it does not contain any of the 599 cigarette additives in the wikipedia list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_additives_in_cigarettes But there is no link from the article on this brand to other articles on brands of additive free cigarettes nor is there a Wikipedia article discussing additive free cigarettes in general. Why? It is probable that some users will come to Wikipedia seeking information on this topic. rumjal 08:26, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Simply put, the English site of Wikipeida is primarily use by people from the US, UK, and Australia; three countries that still ALLOW manufactures to include chemicals in the cigarettes. They are also three of the FEW countries that make and/or require ambiguous or blatantly false statements to the public such as "additive free does not mean a safer cigarette" and the like. Cigarette additives have been banned from tobacco, making a SAFE cigarette, in 72 countries. Since the general public in other non-ban countries are not told of the WHO studies that have proven that tobacco is ("comparatively") safe for smoking, and has been for thousands of years, and that only the chemicals are dangerous, there is little of a movement and no coverage to the benefits of additive-free tobacco. What other brands are available in non-ban countries besides American Spirit and RJ Free (the Camel cigarettes from ban countries rebranded for US/Japan sale)? Lostinlodos (talk) 14:24, 26 April 2008 (UTC)