Talk:Nativity of Jesus in art
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[edit] Nativity
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- pasted here from Johnbod and Amandajm's talk pages
See also:Nativity of Jesus in art
- I've made a start. Amandajm (talk) 14:27, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
- Wow - talk about rabbits from hats! I'll be along some time to add an iconographic descant, but great start! (Though er, "Dark Ages"?). Raphael is finished-ish, btw, if you want to tinker. Johnbod (talk) 14:37, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
- OK, Johnbo, you can call the murky past whatever you like.... Amandajm (talk) 22:01, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
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- Not if Wikipedia:WikiProject Middle Ages catch you at it! Johnbod (talk) 22:06, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
- Goin' great, Mate! Where you have the reference to plays and temporary Nativities, Ill write a description of all the various media that are used to depict the Nativity: sarcophagi, mural, ivory carving, panel and oil painting, sculpture, tableau etc.
If you are working on that history section, then I'll grub around for moore pics on commons. I know some of the things that I want but havven't located themm yet. I love Altdorffer's pictures. In The one that I chose the Baby looks so delighted with the big pile of coins, the old king is so delighted with the baby, the middle King is grinning all over his ugly face with tears in his eyes, and no regard for the magnificent present he has brought, and the young King loooks so extremely humble and adoring. They most a really remarkable contrast to the arrogance of Durer's Kings (one of which is Durer himself) who are comparing gifts. Amandajm (talk) 22:15, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
- Great - I've searched through Commons Category:Illuminated manuscripts by century up to the 12th, and through all (I think) the icon cats - slim pickings; we just don't seem to have a painted Byzantine Nativity at all. I don't think there are any Celtic or Insular depictions at all (they just don't exist I mean), but there are German ones from Carolingian on - though the pics up now may be the earliest we have. I haven't looked at reliefs. Johnbod (talk) 22:20, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
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- There are a good few later ones at Chaperon (headgear) btw Johnbod (talk) 22:21, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
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- I think that page from the Book of Kells ought to go in, with the explanation that was at the other page that it celebrates the Nativity of Christ in a symbolic rather than pictorial way. Amandajm I'm going to dump this talk on the pages talk page and continue there, OK! (talk) 22:36, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
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Amandajm (talk) 22:46, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
- I dunno - it comes next to the nativity in the text, but is a madonna & child. Well, add it & let's see. It is the earliest western M&C Johnbod (talk) 22:41, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Is Bill Egan in there as a representative of Contemporary Art, or of Postmodernism? He's interesting, though - he's actually folk-art, the equivalent of some peasant-artist of the middle ages, not too skilled and not too talented, but pious and compertent and in touch with what ordinary believers want. PiCo (talk) 06:48, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] where we are
Amanda, I'm afraid in your absence I've crashed on in my usual way; hope it's ok (more or less). Joint nom for DYK done. God, I'm fed up with washed out commons images, and insane commons category tangles! Also it really brings home how few straight nativities there are after 1500. But I was delighted to find the 2 sarcophagi with nice sharp pics. You'll see i've mixed the galleries into the text as far as possible, whilst mostly keeping the chronological sequence. I'm not sure about the High Renaissance gallery - is the Doni Tondo really a rest on the flight? And the Leonardo is a bit of a one for conossewers like wot you, I & pi co are, don't you think? Johnbod (talk) 00:21, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Excellent
This is a great article and an excellent example of collaborative editing. Well done and thanks for your work. violet/riga (t) 13:26, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
One capitalization edit (herod to Herod) Bruno (talk) 13:53, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
