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Contents 1 Good Samaritan removal of Utah NAC website link 2 Peyote polemics 3 Inipi Statement 4 Point of view, questionable remarks.

[edit] Good Samaritan removal of Utah NAC website link

The administrator of the Utah NAC website in October of last year claimed that a link from Wikipedia was creating a denial of service attack against his site. He claimed "I only have limited bandwidth on this server for web access, and I cannot have it overloaded like it has been." He eventually went so far as to change the root page of the site to be a diatribe against "web spamming" and threatened to send a bill to Wikipedia for bandwidth usage. He made it very clear that he did not want any links to his site from Wikipedia. I think those wishes should be respected. — MediaMangler 14:44, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Archived discussion from October can be found here. — MediaMangler 15:39, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi, this is very considerate on your part. There is a copy of the materials in the archive.org site which clearly should not offend anyone, so I am relinking the content to this article since the listing is of legitimate NAC's. I am removing the the Temple of Inner Light since it is not a legal Native American Church listed with the Texas Department of Public Safety and the DEA as a lawful NAC. Thanks for the attention here. PeyoteMan 02:32, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

We harmed a website simply by linking to it? Hyacinth 20:59, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

== By the way, the information has been updated based on information from a web search and from information at http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/nachurch.htm , probably more details could be incorporated if somoene wanted to take the time...—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.22.8.120 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Peyote polemics

Having the persuasive opinion in the article in the boldface detracted from the overall credibility of the article, I thought, so I removed the boldface and left parts in regular font, and I did remove the argument about whether or not the laws affecting peyote distribution are constitutional. Maybe that could be a separate section presenting the various arguments pro and con? But it was really very awkward where it was. Amity150 23:35, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Inipi Statement

I question the the following statement as is relates to the Native American Church topic: "Many Tribes practice inipi ceremonies, a.k.a. Sweat lodge, which involve prayer, singing, and the taking of the peyote sacrament. These ceremonies are of shorter duration than a NAC tipi peyote ceremony, and are performed during the day, and at night."

As I have come to understand, the inipi ceremony arose from a completely different source - not that of the peyote religion. Also, stated on the inipi page is the following: "An Inipi ceremony, also known as a sweat lodge, is a Lakota purification ceremony." This is consistent with my understanding.

I recommend removing the above statement from the Native American Church site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rainwood (talk • contribs) 23:37, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Point of view, questionable remarks.

After reading through the article, a few lines lept out in my mind as out of place. One place is in the following exerpt: "There are only 3 licensed Peyoteros left in Texas, due to overhavesting, and illegal poaching, and strict licensing and tax regulations by the Texas Department of Public Safety and the U.S. Federal government. They are attempting to make Peyote inaccessible to the people. When the people listen to what the Peyote Medicine has to say, and follow their true higher spirit selves, government has no authority. Only Creator has authority. That is the truth, regardless of the pervasive fear and terror used to scare people into submission." The first sentence kept in the context of the paragraph, but after that it goes into what seems like a very personal point of view. I didn't want to remove these lines right away without checking if I was right to assume they don't really belong. The following line also strikes me as odd, having almost nothing to do with the surrounding text: "This is a religious issue, not a racial issue." Irontobias (talk) 01:55, 17 November 2007 (UTC)