Talk:National Football League Most Valuable Player Award
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[edit] 1959 MVP and 1960 MVP
Joe Schmidt was not an MVP in 1960. There is no proof that he was, otehr that the error i nthe Ap release year after year. In 1959 Johnny Unitas was teh AP MVP, not Conerly. Conerly was the NEA MVP. For years teh AP has released the same old list . . . They still say GIno Marchetti was the 1958, he was not. Jim Brown was. Marchetti and Schmidt were teh AP linemen of the year those years. Conerly is a flot-out mistake.12.41.183.194 (talk) 22:03, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
This site is a very helpful resource:
http://football.about.com/od/nflhistory/l/bl_awardsmvp.htm
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bill shannon (talk • contribs) .
[edit] Future year hoaxes
This page was recently vandalized by hoax entries with awards ten years in the future. This page could do with a verification for accuracy due to the vandalism. QQ 15:12, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] 1958 MVP
Let's try to remain civil and figure this out. I gave you the link:[1] Here's some more Marchetti at databasefootball:[2] Jim Brown at databasefootball:[3] Let's not turn this into a competition, if you're right great if I am great. In the end it doesn't matter anyway. Quadzilla99 01:31, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
- There was nothing in the NYT archives here's one more saying Marchetti won it:[4] Quadzilla99 02:07, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Marchetti-Brown 1958 award confusion
It is a common misconception that Gino Marchetti was the Associated Press Most Valuable Player in 1958. In fact, sources such as NFL.com[5] and others list him as such.[6][7] The actual winner was Jim Brown who received 22 votes. The runner-up was Johnny Unitas. Marchetti was the AP NFL Lineman of the Year, an award that existed from 1956 through 1960. Most current newspapers reprint the annual Associated Press release, which at some point, apparantly confused the awards for the 1958 season.
Images of an Associated Press articles, appearing nationwide, on Jan. 12 and Jan 13, 1959. These are from the Oakland Tribune which reprinted the AP article.
Originally posted in main article by Quadzilla99
- I moved it back in there, my belief is that this is an interesting encyclopedic addition that adds to the article. It also corrects many erors prevalent online and makes it more of an article than just a list. Incidentally I didn't add it User:Jturney did, we did discuss it at length though. Quadzilla99 20:13, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
- See the discussions on our talk pages. Quadzilla99 20:19, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
- How about if we put it in a footnote instead? I feel that it detracts from the article, which is a list of winners. Sorry I attributed it wrong, I didn't examine the history enough. -- Sprkee 00:51, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
- I moved it to a footnote. Quadzilla99 01:11, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
- Looks good, I just made the font smaller. Thanks! --Sprkee 03:08, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
- I moved it to a footnote. Quadzilla99 01:11, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
- How about if we put it in a footnote instead? I feel that it detracts from the article, which is a list of winners. Sorry I attributed it wrong, I didn't examine the history enough. -- Sprkee 00:51, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
- See the discussions on our talk pages. Quadzilla99 20:19, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Article reorganization suggestion
I am thinking we can reorganize the information here to make it much easier to follow. Additionally, I think we can expand on the text of the article. What I would like to do is combine the awards into one table. Thus, years stay down the left hand side and the top lists the awards (perhaps alphabetically left to right). I would start with 2k6 at the top and go in descending order. The only down side to this that I can see is that we might want to remove the team information from the table for usability. What are your thoughts? Jmfangio| ►Chat 04:02, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
- I think that would be great. It would clarify that there is often a big difference in opinion between the various awarding entities. How about a single column for each award, with player/team/position in each entry?--BillFlis 12:10, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
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- That's an interesting way of doing it. You like that better than doing one column for each award? Jmfangio| ►Chat 21:45, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
- Hey, you volunteered to do it :), so it's up to you. I'm just afraid that the column-per-award format won't fit, especially if we have 8 or 10 MVP awards (current and defunct).--BillFlis 23:15, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Some MVP awards are missing
This page lists ten NFL MVP awards received by Barry Sanders in 1997: Associated Press, Miller Lite, Maxwell Award (which should certainly read "Bert Bell Award"), Sporting News, Pro Football Weekly, Football Digest, Sports Illustrated, College & Pro Football Weekly, ESPN “Espy” Award, and Touchdown Club of Columbus. This page says "The NFL/Miller Lite Player of the Year was introduced in 1997 as the official, league-sanctioned MVP award." BTW, Sanders's wikiarticle used to mention that he won the Bert Bell Award (twice), but now no longer does; not notable or vandalized?--BillFlis 12:10, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
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- The Miller Lite MVP is very strange. That ref I mentioned says it's endorsed by the NFL as "official", but I can find hardly anything on the web, even on Miller Brewing's site. Just an occasional mention of a winner, that's all.--BillFlis 23:13, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
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- Okay so a couple of quick questions. A) Do you understand how they associate the individual with the award? I am unable to tell who actually won what award? B) Regardless of format, I can rework what is already in the article into the new version and then we can always add and remove "sections". What do you think of that? Jmfangio| ►Chat 23:18, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
- Do you mean, how do they vote? This is where I think this article needs work. I have added that for the Bert Bell Award into its article (it's spelled out pretty clearly at Maxwell Club's web site). Also, if an award is now defunct, that should be mentioned, otherwise someone might just think the table is incomplete.--BillFlis 10:17, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
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This one is not missing, just somewhere else: Best NFL Player ESPY Award. Also, the Football Digest article (which seems rather incomplete) suggests that it had an MVP Award until 1973, when it began giving instead separate awards by player position (RB, QB, WR, DL, DB, etc.).--BillFlis 17:36, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
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- So I think we should do two tables if we use the format I propose (one for defunct and one for current)./ We should probably then just use this article to explain all the various awards as I can't imagine that it would be so long as to necessitate separate articles. What do you think? If it does get too long then we can move the table(s) that house the information to List article. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 17:41, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
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