Talk:National Endowment for Democracy
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According to WikiScanner, anonymous user 206.205.146.7 is an employee of the NED, and has been editing the article extensively. Editing articles about oneself or the organisation one works for is against Wikipedia's code of conduct. See the end of the discussion page for details. Schizophonix 00:31, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
This needs some work for a neutral POV. Also, it claims it was connected to some Latin American campaigns in the 1970's, then in the next sentence says that it wasn't founded until 1983. I'd do it if i had the time. xyzzyva
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[edit] npov
i'm labelling this article as npov, due to the heavy amount of evidence on only the side critical of the NED. its liberal propaganda, and while i love liberal propaganda, it definately ain't neutral. Thepedestrian 20:38, Aug 19, 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Cleanup instead of NPOV
All right kids, this article many not read very smoothly, but at least there's no longer any mention of the 1970s, and all the left-wing criticism has been flagged as left-wing criticism. I suggest we drop the NPOV in favour of a {{Cleanup}} notice. Edit it if it still bothers you. QuartierLatin1968 08:39, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC) (PS: Liberal ain't left. The NED is a liberal institution par excellence.)
Don't confuse 'Liberal' with 'Left-Wing'. Liberal can refer to mainstream establishment Democrats, who have often supported (even initiated and led) Foreign Policy that the Left is very critical of.
The "Subversion of Democracy" section has been renamed and uncited bombastic criticism removed. Remember, this is supposed to be NPOV, not a soapbox.76.248.69.27 (talk) 01:58, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] alleged links to authoritarian regimes
I restored the sentence:
Its alleged links with authoritarian regimes in Latin America during the 1980s lead some critics to claim that rather than supporting democracy, it in fact opposes democracy.
Contrary to Trey Stone's comment, this should not be taken as criticism of Ronald Reagan alone. The NED continued to operate during the Clinton Administration. The AFL-CIO has been a source of funding as well.
This is the major criticism of the NED and it seems appropriate to introduce the topic in the introductory paragraph. I did not restore some obvious POV language: its "evil". DJ Silverfish 17:58, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- what "authoritarian" regimes would it be supporting during the Clinton administration? so it receives funding from the AFL-CIO, what does that have to do with anything? i think you're confusing "authoritarian" with "non-leftist governments." J. Parker Stone 23:39, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Bogged down
This article is merely a litany of charges levelled against the NED by hard-left groups... I hope we can provide some balance relatively soon. J. Parker Stone 19:01, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Well, TJive did a good job of cleaning the junk out of this article until some new account (now blocked for suspected sockpuppetry) came around and started RVing all his contributions. My sense here is that the NED has its detractors on the Left who don't like the fact that it hasn't supported socialist/demsoc "popular movements," but that doesn't mean we need to introduce criticism in the intro, it can be shown throughout the article, and it can be shown without adding long passages from people who oppose the organization. and "alleged links with authoritarian regimes during the '80s" -- whether it was "alleged" or not doesn't change the fact that it's flat-out wrong. it was Reagan administration policy to support transitions to civilian democracy in the region, defeating leftist "popular movements" that had the backing of Castro, and obviously hoping for elected governments friendly to U.S. interests. any "authoritarian regimes" the administration supported, it supported when those countries were in the midst of civil war -- such as Guatemala and El Salvador, and even those had elected civilian governments in the mid-to-late '80s, it's their militaries (which in that region unfortunately have historically had more authority than anyone else) that continued the human rights abuses the Reagan admin. is always villified for. in any case, this is an article about the NED, and to the best of my knowledge the NED just funds certain candidates during democratic elections -- maybe certain people don't like the candidates it funds, but i have seen no conclusive evidence of "links to authoritarian regimes." J. Parker Stone 23:26, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
As it reads now, the first two paragraphs in a section both begin with "According to left-wing critics..", the third paragraph begins "The NED in fact...". Sounds NPOV, even though an attempt to address NPOV.
[edit] Wayne Madsen
Wayne Madsen as a source? Come on people, I know you are all looking for fodder, but certainly we can do better than this.TDC 22:00, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
The UK Guardian is the source of the Masden information url: http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,706802,00.html This seems reputable. DJ Silverfish 22:14, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
- Once again, Wayne Madsen's credibility is severely strained. This would be, by the way, the same Wayne Madsen who believes that the Jews are behind 9/11. TDC 23:51, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
- oh don't be silly TDC -- he's probably just an "anti-Zionist" J. Parker Stone 02:17, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
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- I don't quite understand the point of all this. The material has no relevance to the NED, but rather a general fulmination against US policy toward Venezuela. That was implied in the summary for my initial edit. --TJive 03:06, July 27, 2005 (UTC)
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Then why don't we do better. Everyone go to the nearest library and pick up William Robinson's "Promoting Polyarchy" for a good analysis of the NED. And to the people who continually fail to properly delineate between "liberal" and "left-wing": I don't know which political science program you paid too much money for, but your ideas are outdated and simply wrong. Stop watching Fox news AND the Daily Show.
[edit] See Also Section
Why is Students for Global Democracy on there? What is there relation to the NED? We do not discuss this in the article itself, I suggest removing the entry unless someone can elaborate on its significance.JJ4sad6 10:00, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Dictator vs. President.
Who keeps changing president to dictator? Hugo Chavez is a dictator based on his record running venezuala. This is not biased it's just the truth.
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- You cannot call an elected president a "dictator" without being slightly biased. Schizophonix 23:48, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
- No, it's bias given the fact that he's continually won free and fair elections. Declared free and fair by hundreds of EU election observers and the Carter Center. 76.10.166.54 (talk) 08:52, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] NED infiltration in this page!!
Anonymous editor 206.205.146.7 is an employee of the NED. They have been editing the article extensively and adding phrases like "according to left-wing criticism" and "in fact...". Use WikiScanner (http://wikiscanner.virgil.gr/) if you want to find for yourself exactly what the edits were. (Alternatively follow this link http://wikiscanner.virgil.gr/f.php?ip1=206.205.146.0-255) Remember that editing articles about oneself or the organisation one works for is against Wikipedia's code of conduct!!! This constitutes a serious NPOV violation and I think a {{NPOV}} tag should be added immediately. I also think that user 206.205.146.7 should give us immediate explanations about their actions and about not revealing their true identity. I am waiting for your opinions before I make any changes. Schizophonix 00:10, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
