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This article, Nassau, should be Nassau, Bahamas.

Nassau (state) should be Nassau as it is the oldest origin of all Nassau references, with a link to Nassau (disambiguation).

No, policy says it should be the most commonly used name - so Nassau, Bahamas should get this name. Guettarda 21:09, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thats not NPOV. It may be common where you are, if I say "Nassau" where I am, 100% of the people (about 15 000 000) will think of the House of Orange-Nassau, not of Nassau, Bahamas. If I say the same in Germany, even more people will think of Nassau (state) first. 217.121.144.89 21:08, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Policy says that most common use of the name in English should get the name, or, if you have some conflict about what the most commonly used name is, then you make it the disambiguation page. The overwhelming majority of links to Nassau are for Nassau, Bahamas. And 15 million isn't that much. Even on the German Wikipedia it's a disambiguation page. Guettarda 13:19, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I reverted this back to a redirect to Nassau, Bahamas. I think that article should eventually be moved here. If you still disagree, let me know and I will list this page at RfC.
From Wikipedia:Naming convention: Generally, article naming should give priority to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature. Guettarda 21:14, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Requested move

The capital city of present-day independent nation should get primary topic disambiguation; nothing on the disambiguation page (currently, Nassau) comes close. The related move Nassau → Nassau (disambiguation) would also be necessary. –Hajor 01:21, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

This discussion is really not necessary. Even if the current Nassau was moved to Nassau (disambiguation), no one would ever type such a search. Already based on technicalities, "Nassau" would ultimately have to lead to "Nassau (disambiguation)". Gryffindor 13:00, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one sentence explanation, then sign your vote with ~~~~
  • Propose and support. –Hajor 01:21, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
  • I oppose this move. I do not believe that Nassau, Bahamas predominates over either Hesse-Nassau or Nassau County, New York, much less both of them, for most English-speakers. Leave the dab where it is. Septentrionalis 01:18, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Support - it most definitely does predominate over the other uses in English. Guettarda 02:50, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose, Nassau is best as a disambig page, as it is now. --Angr/tɔk tə mi 08:27, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Nassau, Bahamas is further down the list when I personally think of "Nassau". Support current disambig. Olessi 19:33, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Sorry no offence but this is utterly unnecessary. When I hear "Nassau" I certainly don't think of Bahamas first. It would be like renaming Paris, Texas → Paris. Gryffindor 01:34, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Support It's the capital of the Bahamas. --Revolución (talk) 04:57, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Support what Revolución said. No Account 17:09, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose. The Duchy of Nassau would be my first association with the name. Eugene van der Pijll 23:40, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
    • It doesn't matter what your first "association" with the name would be. Nassau is the capital of the Bahamas and thus has more importance than any province, county, duchy, or whatever. --Revolución (talk) 00:00, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
      • It matters what a majority of people expect to see on the page. I'm just one data point. I disagree that the capital city of any country is more important than any historical state. When many people disagree on which subject is the most important, the best idea is to have a disambiguation page here. If I was the only one opposing, my opinion would, indeed, not matter. Eugene van der Pijll 16:10, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
I completely agree with User:Eugene van der Pijll. To rename this into Nassau is america-centric thinking. So what if it's the capital, there are plenty of other "Nassau" to oppose this move. Gryffindor 18:20, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Support Nassau is the capital of the independent state and as such it's more important than the other uses.  Grue  11:36, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose the disambig page is perfect as it is - renaming would be America-centric as well as a-historic. And as there are different opinons, a disambig page is a very good way to get around without having to decide what "the real Nassau" is, aka NPOV. --Reinhard 16:21, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
    • Actually to rename this would not be America-centric, but Anglo-centric (Anglo meaning in this sense English language). Nassau to most English speakers would mean the capital of the Bahamas, and this is English Wiki after all, not German or Dutch Wiki. Note: this is not a view to support move. Mark
  • Oppose. AFAIC, both the Bahama and German-related articles are roughly equal in significance and hence neither should get primary topic designation. older≠wiser 17:03, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose. – Axman (☏) 05:39, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Leave as is. Mark 11:00, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Support. Even German Wikipedia doesn't prioritise German Nassau - it's a disambig page. And Nassau/Bahamas' prominence in English is enough to prioritise it. Rd232 talk 14:33, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

One comment: from the discussion above (and perhaps Guettarda can confirm) the Bahamian capital appears to have been here at Nassau in the not-so-distant past.

And one query: Septentrionalis brings up both Hesse-Nassau or Nassau County, New York. According to our article naming policies, neither of those would be eligible for the coveted undisambiguated Nassau; at the most, they might get a redirect, like San Francisco redirects to San Francisco, California. The query is something that occurred to me in the recent discussion over moving Windsor to Windsor, Berkshire, and it goes something like this: "In deciding primary topic disambiguation, does the fact that an article's natural location, per naming conventions, would place it at the undisambigged location give it any degree of precedence over rivals that, per conventions, would not normally get that location?" –Hajor 01:37, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Nassau, Bahamas was at Nassau for a long time - and anon moved it, saying that the German state of Nassau (historical state) was older, so should have the dominant name. I changed it to a redirect back to the the Bahamian capital. Someone later changed it to a dab page. Guettarda 02:50, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Is this all in one request then, along with the old september entry for switching Nassau and Nassau (disambiguation)? Ryan Norton T | @ | C 03:19, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

  • Note that the page Nassau, Bahamas was moved to Nassau using a cut&paste move. Regardless of whether the move is justified by the vote above, the page should only be moved by the proper procedure (which can only be done by an admin). I've reverted three pages to the version before this move (Nassau, Bahamas, Nassau, and Nassau (disambiguation)). I believe this has corrected the situation. Edits after October 14 to any of these pages have been lost, unfortunately. Eugene van der Pijll 23:39, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
  • This is ridiculous. I just looked at what German town are you talking about and it has the population of (drum roll) 5000! To suggest it has the same importance as the capital of the independent nation is extreme POV. This is as stupid as Georgia (country) not being at Georgia.  Grue  06:37, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
    • You're right, the German town isn't all that important. It is the historical state of Nassau that has at least the same importance as Nassau, Bahamas. Eugene van der Pijll 11:07, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Yes but I don't quite understand your point then. I totally agree with you that the country of Georgia should be named "Georgia", while the U.S. state should be renamed into something different. But then you want the Bahamas Nassau, which is actually named after the dynasty or a person from there, who in turn are named after the county/duchy, which in turn is named after the castle and the original town in Germany, to have precedence over all the other ones? Sorry, that just makes no sense, based on what criterias are you making your point? Gryffindor 09:42, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
    • Based on the importance to the world as a whole. How anything is named is irrelevant. Dollar is named after some obscure German coin as well, but it is much more important.  Grue  10:06, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
      • Based on the importance in the world? That's completely a POV, Wikipedia should try to remain neutral. ps: btw, the dollar comes from Taler, which was anything but "obscure". Gryffindor 23:16, 23 October 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Revert

Anyone else notice how this article shrank insanely? Pilotguy I think needs to explain his reverting here... I can see that the article pre revert could be considered an advert/not notable, but I want to hear it from Pilotguy on what was wrong with the article so maybe we can fix it. Galactor213 16:29, 30 July 2006 (UTC)


From comparing PilotGuy's version with the previous version, it looks to me like he removed a lot of content he considered commercial. Lots of it does read like advertising copy. However, some of that info could certainly be rewritten so that it doesn't have that bias. Karen Joslin 13:08, 31 August 2006

"The city has a population of 365,9284 (2005 census), nearly 70 percent of the entire population of the Bahamas (303,611). " This math doesn't work out right on my calculator.

[edit] "The" Bahamas

Should the title read "Nassau, The Bahamas"? The The Bahamas page is titled "The Bahamas" and the CIA World Factbook titles its page "Bahamas, The" I think the "the" is part of the name. What does anyone else think? link title

That is correct. The official name of the country is "The Commonwealth of The Bahamas", aka "Islands of The Bahamas", "The Bahama Islands", (note, no "s" on Bahama in this use) or "The Bahamas". Use of the term "Bahamas" without the "The" is actually incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.75.121.18 (talk) 19:53, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

Also, the picture is actually of Paradise Island, not New Providence which is the location of Nassau. Although connected to Nassau by a bridge, Paradise Island is a separate island and the image should probably be of Nassau or New Providence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.75.121.18 (talk) 19:56, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

Also, I am going to make a revision of the last sentence in the opening paragraph. --Gree6021 05:17, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Providence links to New Jersey, not New Providence Island in the Bahamas

You might want to fix that. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.14.248.62 (talk) 15:57, 8 April 2008 (UTC)