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Contents 1 Start of splinter article 2 Tremendous work on the article 3 Moved from article 3.1 Napa Valley wineries (incomplete list) 4 Title of article 5 renaming a mistake?

[edit] Start of splinter article

I splinter off the wine section from the main Napa County article because there is quite a bit of wine specific info that can be added (such as history) that would overwhelm the main article on the county. I copied the lead paragraph from the article for now but I can see it being rewritten as this article grows. Agne 01:25, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tremendous work on the article

It was splintered less then a week ago and it has already taken bloom into a really nice article. Great work! However, it does need a healthy dose of references and in-line cites. (I'll see what I can help with in a few days). I also think we need to remove the list of Napa Wineries. We may want to make it a separate article List of Napa Valley Wineries or limit the list in the article to only those with a Wikipedia page. Better still would be a category. Agne 21:26, 8 November 2006

[edit] Moved from article

The list has gotten huge and is becoming a burden on the article. At its worse, it is borderline spam and POV advertising for the wineries listed. By its very nature of being incomplete, you are expressing a POV in the wineries that are included versus those that are excluded. Secondly, the notability of some of these wineries are questionable--especially for the ones that don't even have their own wikipedia article. I would strongly encourage the creation as category that could be attached to the wikipedia article of this page and of the wineries or at the very least, a list that can be linked to. Agne 19:48, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Napa Valley wineries (incomplete list)

13 Appellations Abiouness Wines Acacia Winery Adastra Wines Aetna Springs Cellars Alex Sotelo Celllars Alpha Omega Winery Amici Cellers Amizetta Wiery Amuse Bouche Anderson's Conn Valley Vineyards Ancien Wines Anomaly Vineyards Anselmo Vigne Alpha Omega Winery Altamura Winery Andretti Winery Araujo Estate Ardente Winery Arger Martucci Vineyards Arietta Artesa Winery Artistic Wines (group of wineries) Astrale e Terra Atalon Atlas Peak Vineyards August Briggs Winery Azalea Springs Bacio Divino Balddacci Vineyards Ballentine Vineyards Barbour Vineyards Barlow Vineyards Barnett Vineyards Beaucanon Estate Beaulieu Vineyard [1] Bell Wine Cellers Benessere Vineyards Bennett Lane Winery Beringer Winery Bettinelli Vineyards Robert Biale Vineyards Big Horn Cellers Black Coyote Wines Beaucanon Estate Blankiet Estate Blockheadia Ringnosii Bouchaine Vineyards Bourassa Vineyards Bresseler Vineyards Broman Cellers Brown Estate Buehler Vineyards Burgess Cellars Cafaro Cain Five Winery Cakebread Cellars Carneros Della Notte Sutro Casa Carneros Winery Casa Nuestra Winery Catacula Lake Winery Caymus Carneros Creek Winery Ceja Vineyards Chameleon Cellers Chappellet Winery and Vineyard Charbay Winery and Distillery Chateau l' Ego Chateau Montelena [2] Chateau Potelle Winery Chimney Rock Winery Chinnok Cellars Clark Claudon Vineyards Cliff Lede Vineyards Clos Du Val Winery [3] Conn Creek Winery Corison Corley Family Cosentino Winery Crane Family Vineyards Cuvaison Estate Winery Della Valle Vineyards Darioush David Arthur Vineyards David Fulton Winery Delectus Winery Del Dotto Vineyards Destino Wines Diamond Creek Vineyards Diamond Terrace Dominari Wines Domaine Carneros Dominus Estate

Domaine Chandon Dolce Downing Family Estate D.R. Stephens Duckhorn Vineyards Dussinberre Cellars Dutch Henry Winery Dyer Vineyard Eagle and Rose Estate Eagle Eye Wine Ehlers Estate Elan Vineyards Elkhorn Peak Cellers El Molino Winery Elyse Winery Emilio's Terrace Etude Far Niente Winery Fife Vineyards Flora Springs Winery and Vineyards Folie a Deux Winery Forman Vineyard Frank Family Winery Franciscan Franus Frazier Winery Freemark Abbey Winery [4] Frog's Leap Winery Galleron Wines Goosecross Cellars [5] Graeser Winery Green and Red Vineyard Green Truck Cellars Gregory Graham Wines Grgich Hills Cellar [6] Groth Winery Gustavo Thrace HaGafen Cellars Hall Winery Hans Fahden Vineyards Harrison Vineyards Harlan Estate Hartwell Vineyards Havens Wine Heitz Wine Cellars [7] Hendry Winery Hess Collection Honig Vineyard & Winery Howell Mountain Vineyards Ilsley Vineyards J. Davies J. Kirkwood Winery Jarvis Winery Jade Mountain Vineyard Jessup Cellers Jocelyn Jones Family Vineyards Joseph Phelps Judd's Hill Juslyn Vineyards Joel Gott John Anthony Vineyards Karl Lawrence Winery Kelham Vineyards and Winery Kirkland Ranch Winery Konsgaard Charles Krug Kuleto Estate Krupp Brothers Estate Lagier Meridith Lail Vineyards Laird Family Estate Lamborn Family Vineyard Larkmead Vineyards Lewelling Vineyards Liprita Cellars Livingston Moffett Lokoya Long Meadow Ranch Luna Vineyards Madonna Estate Madrigal Vineyards Marilyn Wines Markham Vineyards Marston Family Vineyard Mason Cellars Milat Vineyards Louis Martini Mayacamas Vineyards [8] Merryvale Vineyards Monticello Vineyards Moss Creek Winery Mount Veeder Winery Mumm Napa Valley

Napa Redwoods Estate Napa Wine Company Neal Family Vineyards Newton Vineyard Nichelini Winery Nickel and Nickel Oakville Ranch Oliver Caldwell Cellers Opus One Winery[9] O'Shaughnessy Estate Winery Outpost Page Wine Cellers Pahlmeyer Paoletti Estate Vineyards Paradigim Winery Peju Province Pepi Winery Phoenix Vineyards & Rancho Napa Wines Pillar Rock Vineyard Pine Ridge Winery Plump Jack Winery Pope Valley Winery Prager Winery & Port Works Pride Mountain Vineyards Quintessa Raymond Vineyard & Cellar Regusci Winery Robert Keenan Winery Robert Mondavi [10] Robert Craig Robert Pecota Winery Robert Sinskey Vineyards Rubicon Estate Winery [11] (formally Inglenook Winery) Rubbisow Sargent Winery Rutherford Hill Winery Rutherford Ranch Vineyards Saintsbury St. Clement Vineyards St. Supery Sawkar Family Vineyards Schramsberg Seavey Vineyard Sequoia Grove Vineyards Shafer Vineyards Silverado Vineyards Winery [12] Silver Oak Cellars Sky Vineyard Smith Madrone Winery and Vineyards Spottswoode Estate Spring Mountain Vineyards [13] Staglin Family Vineyard Stag's Leap Wine Cellars[14] Stags' Leap Winery [15] Sterling Vineyards [16] StoneFly Vineyard Stony Hill Vineyard Storybook Mountain Vineyards Summers Winery Sutter Home Terra Vaentine Winery Trefethen Vineyards[17] Trinchero Family Estates Tulocay Winery Turnbull Wine Cellars Twomey Cellers V. Sattui Vineyard 29 Volker Eisele Family Estate Vineyard Von Strasser Winery Whitehall Lane Winery William Hill Winery Young Ridge Estate ZD Wines

[edit] Title of article

I think the title of the article should be changed to Napa Valley AVA (making Napa Valley (wine) a redirect) in order to be more consistent with the naming conventions of the other American Viticultural Areas in Wikipedia. Thoughts?--Kharker 19:44, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I would agree. It was originally placed at Napa Valley (wine) since it cover items beyond just the single AVA. I can sort of see it acting in a similar function as Sonoma County AVA with a small summary and then link to the 15 other sub-AVAs in Napa Valley. Agne^Cheese/^Wine 20:53, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] renaming a mistake?

Since it was renamed, this article has created confusion between the Napa Valley AVA and the county of Napa. From my reading of the CFR, it looks like the "Napa Valley AVA" excludes portions of Napa County lying north of Lake Berryessa. It's a minor distinction, but I think one worth making. Stepheng3 (talk) 18:52, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I think there should be an article for every American Viticultural Area, and the Napa Valley AVA is the most prestigious, most visited, and most economically important of all the AVAs, so there clearly needs to be an article for it. When we moved the article title, I spent significant time going through the What Links Here listings and fixed links in like 100 articles to make sure that those referencing Napa Valley as a wine region were pointing to the Napa Valley AVA article and those referring to Napa Valley as a geographical area or otherwise pointed to the Napa County, California article. If there are really some wine topics related to the county that need covering but are not related to the AVA, then we could create a Napa County (wine) article that covers just those topics and make sure there are appropriate {{Distinguish}} tags in the articles to keep people from going astray.--Kharker (talk) 15:53, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I agree there should be an article for every AVA. In the process of cleaning up the "Sonoma County AVA" mess, I ran into a few articles in which "Napa Valley AVA" was apparently used as a synonym for "Napa County", and that's the cause of my concern. For instance, the List of wine-producing regions article lists Mendocino County as one area, but for Napa it has "Napa County (Napa Valley)", which gives the impression that the two terms are synonymous. I don't know for certain that wine grapes are grown in Napa County north of Lake Berryessa, but I wouldn't be surprised. I would feel more comfortable if there were a Napa County wine article analogous to the Sonoma County wine one. That would help maintain the distiction. Thanks again. Stepheng3 (talk) 02:36, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

I just created a Napa County wine article.--Kharker (talk) 23:13, 4 January 2008 (UTC)