User talk:N Jordan

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Kingdom of Yugoslavia-COA.png

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[edit] Banat Republic

Did you see Creation of Yugoslavia and Talk:Creation of Yugoslavia? --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 12:09, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes I did. Think the part about BBB is missing historic perspective of that time. Hungary was defeated, Serbia was member of the Entente, one of the winners. Serbian army was backed by France troops. That was the time of revolution all over the defeated Germany and Austria-Hungary. The Banat Republic was not the only self proclaimed pro-socialist state of that time. Good example is Independent Republic of Alsace-Lorraine.
Today, we may question legal right of Great people's assembly of Serbs, Bunjevci and other Slavs to proclaim unification with the Kingdom of Serbia, but it doesn’t matter. Their right was based on fact that Serbia as a member of Entente recognized those rights. Probably, the same effect could be reached by simple act of annexation proclaimed by Serbia.
However, the Banat Republic ceased to exist before December 1, so it couldn’t be predecessor of Yugoslavia. --N Jordan (talk) 07:12, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Petrovic-Njegos

This is false. They have started to consider themselves as "non-Serbs" in the 21st century. See this for Michael in 1921-1986. It seems that only seems the case with the current pretender. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 15:47, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

That was the reason I changed "After King Nikola’s death in 1921 his descendents started to consider themselves solely Montenegrin." to "After King Nikola’s death in 1921 some of his descendents started to consider themselves solely Montenegrin.". In my comment, I said: "SOME of Nikola's descendents started to consider themselves Montenegrin - but not all (An example is Prince Michael of Montenegro who declared himself as a Serb)"
However, I like your idea about removing that paragraph.

[edit] Re: on "respecting international law" in regards to states in the Balkans during World War II

You tell me to respect international law on the fascist occupation of Europe and legitimacy of states when effective and accepted international law did not come to exist until 1945, with the creation of the United Nations. Furthermore borders have changed repeatedly in wars prior to WWII which were not legitimate by means of support of the population, but maps and date show information for those borders or puppet states because they were empowered by an occupier which gave them some degree of legitmacy.

There was someone else who talked like you do, and that user's name was User:Velebit, who created numerous sockpuppet users to push opinions and refuses to accept evidence presented that goes against those opinions. Velebit has been banned, but through short-term sockpuppets, the user has continued to be a nuisance on Wikipedia and the fact that your user page is blank, like many sockpuppet pages of Velebit were makes me suspicious. If you are not Velebit, then you certainly act the same.--R-41 (talk) 22:17, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree with you that international law before WW2 was not effective, however it existed. An example is Kellogg-Briand Pact from 1928. Anyway, during the WW2 occupation and disintegration of Yugoslavia was not recognized by the Allies. The same countries that created International Military Tribunal in Nuremberg and punished Nazi leaders for crimes against peace and war of aggression The United Nations were established by same countries as successor of the League of Nations. In addition, there is customary international law, which is still one of the primary sources of international law.
Back to Yugoslavia in WW2: occupation and disintegration was just a temporary condition created during the war that ceased to exist when the war was finished. Even during that time, occupation and disintegration was not widely accepted. Yugoslav government in exile was accepted and recognized by the Allies. After the war, Tito’s Yugoslavia was recognized as a sole successor of Kingdom of Yugoslavia, including the succession of international treaties.
BTW, I am not Velebit and have no idea who he was. --N Jordan (talk) 07:42, 2 April 2008 (UTC)