Talk:Mzoli's

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	Mzoli's has been listed as one of the Social sciences and society good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can delist it, or ask for a reassessment.
	An entry from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column on September 22, 2007.
Article milestones Date Process Result September 17, 2007 Articles for deletion Kept December 29, 2007 Good article nominee Listed Current Status: Good article

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[edit] GA Delisting

After considering this article and the GA criteria I am prepared to delist this article from GA status on the basis of GA Criterion #3. It is not broad enough and without references it would be very short. I don't believe this article should be promoted because it got so much media coverage. So if there are no objections after a couple of days I'll be delisting the article. Littleteddy... keep me in a good mood 12:29, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

When you say it's not broad enough, according to the good article criteria, I presume you mean that it does not address the major aspects of its topic, right? That criterion, as I read it, should not be used merely to discourage articles with appropriate coverage of specialized topics. So which major aspects of this topic do you feel are not addressed? —David Eppstein (talk) 15:57, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry Littleteddy, but "not enough bytes" isn't a valid reason to delist. How does it not meet #3? dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 05:49, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

My first concern was that there's no measure of popularity. How much does Mzoli's earn per year? How many patrons are there in a year/month/week? Littleteddy... keep me in a good mood 11:54, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Mzoli's, in western terms, probably does not earn a lot. On a weekend, it might serve 1500 or more patrons. It is unique in Gugulethu. I don't care about its GA status. Wizzy…☎ 12:25, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Following the criteria to the letter could mean delisting on the sole basis of this, because a whole chunk of stuff was removed two weeks ago. Littleteddy... keep me in a good mood 11:56, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, what? How could that merit a delisting? dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 07:45, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Do you have any references for that? Am I getting FA and GA mixed up or is it true that the article must be stable? I'm sorry :) Littleteddy... keep me in a good mood 11:02, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

It seems that the GA criteria definitions, being so concise, allow for a lot of interpretation. If an article topic only warrants 5 sentences of discussion, but the 5 sentences currently in the article are extremely good, should the article have GA or FA status? I am of the opinion that granting "higher" status to articles should be done to showcase the finest articles in the encyclopedia rather than how close an article is to a "perfect" state. With regards to this particular article, it obviously is not that great in an absolute sense, but it probably has all the information that one could say about a place like this. Personally, I think the article should not be GA based on the fact that there are many better articles on wikipedia that are not GA. However, if the proper criteria for GA is comprehensiveness relative to the maximum comprehensiveness there can be, then I don't think criterion #3 can be used to delist the article. Dwr12 (talk) 03:01, 26 April 2008 (UTC)