Talk:Mythology of Lost

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[edit] First Appearence of "The Monster"

The article says that "The Monster" was first 'seen' on the first night on the island. I disagree. When the engine blows up in "The Pilot, Part 1" while Jack is talking to Claire, if you slow down the engine exploding, you can see "the Monster" hitting the engine then flying away. Also, some people think that that the man that was thrown into the turbine in the same scene was pushed into it by the cloud, as you can see a faint cloud in front of the man.

That was only an error in post-production, as said by the producers, it was not the Monster.

Couldn't it be argued that they did not actually "see" The Monster the first night? I may be remembering wrong, but didn't they just hear the crashing and see the trees and get all freaked out? Riverbend 19:19, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
I believe treetops were visably ruffled in the distance, making the monster seen albeit indirectly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.89.232.113 (talk) 18:16, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestion

The article needs some work to make it stand better on its own. I think linking to the pages of all the characters mentioned would be a start.--Opark 77 21:48, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Probably. When I moved it, I only copied and pasted. Lumaga 15:34, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Would it make sense to add the following elements to the show's mythology (or possibly themes)? (Spoilers follow obviously)

  • Healing: The island appears to have healing powers. Locke, Rose and Sun all appear to have been cured of various physical ailments.
  • Impossible figures from the past: Characters have seen and sometimes interacted with figures from their past while on the island. Eg Jack's dead father or Hurley's (imaginary) friend Dave.
  • Children: Much is made of the special quality of Claire's baby, and something similar is implied for Walt (eg that he is somehow responsible for the polar bear's appearance after he read a comic book featuring the animal). Sun's pregnancy (once it comes to term) could be described as a miracle birth.

Some of these elements interact with each other. For example the same force that might cause Walt to have conjured the polar bear could also be responsible for the appearance of Jack's father. Sun's pregnancy falls under the heading of both "healing" and "children".

--203.158.52.189 12:37, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Though I agree it's wise to be cautious about adding too many new mythology elements (see WP:CRUFT), I'd be willing to signoff on something that covered the healing or hallucinatory nature of the island, since that definitely seems to be a common theme. --Elonka 14:23, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
I changed the monster part of the article, its not a nanobot according to the producers, and they often hinted in the season 1 dvd's that its not a monster at all.

The healing power of the island definitely needs a mention. It is key to the strangeness of the place that it has healed so many characters in apparently miraculous ways. Also, journeys such as Jack's search for his father are mental or emotional healing - all part and parcel of the same thing. raining_girl 19:33, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Polar bear

The Polar bears should probably be removed from Mythology if we gain any more information that the others took care of the animals. As of season 3 ep 1 we clearly know of cages for the bears at The Hydra station. This would remove the 'supernatural' aspect of their existance. -- N1ck0 06:08 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Not necessarily, though. The Others could have been capturing them for observation or testing, it is still out-of-place for polar bears to be on a tropical island, which is what the article notes is strange about them. Maybe take it out of mythology if it turns out that the Others or the DHARMA Init. brought them to the island or something. . . Riverbend 19:17, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

The way the bear kidnapped Eko would keep it in mythology for me. raining_girl 19:33, 8 November 2006 (UTC) I always thought it was created when Michael took the comic book away from Walt, since he seems to have telekinesis.

[edit] 216

By addition of the numbers with the number of minutes in which they must be typed (4 + 8 + 15 + 16 + 23 + 42 + 108), you get the result 216. This number is the cubic number of 6. 6³ = 6 * 6 * 6 = 216. Shouldn't this bit be added? If no other reason as a coincidence or possible link? Mulder1982 19:26, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

This is just numbercruft. Please don't add it. Lumaga 19:57, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
216 is often connected with 666. It'd hadly be an accident. It might not have any significance in the show, but it's damn freaky. ~~Lazyguythewerewolf . Rawr. 22:05, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Animals

Would it be worth mentioning that Hurley encountered a parrot (or some huge tropical bird) that he believed was shrieking his name? Riverbend 18:48, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

  • The bird was a kea and has since been added. Rob 13:33, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FYI: Numbers AfD

A new user moved the Numbers subsection into the cruft-filled The Lost Numbers which has been placed for AfD. --LeflymanTalk 18:40, 7 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] theories and internet community buzz

Lost has generated countless theories and is tracked, dissected and discussed by a massive (and obsessive, I'm one of them!) internet community. It's also widely shared so that many UK viewers don't have to wait for series 3 and are watching it right after it airs in the US. I think that this talkign and sharing is a particular aspect of the show that deserves mention. Although there is a section mentioning discredited theories there is no other reference to this aspect. raining_girl 19:37, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Subtitle of "Ghosts"/"Visions" section

Hi there.

I added the "visions" section a couple of days ago when I noticed that no one had included the encounters with Jack's father etc in this otherwise fine page. Initially, I subtitled this section "Ghosts" (with the inverted commas) for want of anything better. "Ghosts" would have done the trick, I think if this section hadn't included the visions of Walt by Shannon. Since then, this section has been renamed to "Visions" - while I knew "Ghosts" wasn't perfect, I don't think "Visions" cuts the mustard either. A vission, of course, could allude to any number of things (Kate's horse, the monster, Locke's dreams, even the brief early appearences of The Others). So does anyone have a better suggestion for a title? How about "apparitions" (either with or without the inverted commas")? Rob 13:33, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I was the one that changed it, I think that visions work better than ghosts (hurley's hallucination wasn't a ghost, walt wasn't a ghost, the sightings of dead people are not necessarily ghosts) but I agree that it could be improved. Also - the encounters with Jack's father (and with Yemi) (and the horse), were already there, under "monster". There is a lot of overlap between Monster and Ghosts/Visions, and still a lot of speculation under Monster. I think that, in general, we should do more work to both of these sections, and sort out what should go where, I would like to keep "visions" if we could get all the supernatural sightings (forms of dead people, horse, etc) in that section instead of in the monster section, or if that doesn't work (if all those things are really just forms of the monster, as is currently implied in the Monster section), would something like "Sightings" or "Supernatural sightings" work? I don't know. . . Riverbend 14:23, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
The recent changes seem really good - it seems better organized now. Riverbend 19:30, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


Okay, I don't know if this counts as a ghost or vision, but I think that the whispers are the voices of people who have died or are going to die on the island. Either that or maybe they are 'The voice of the island' or Jacob that says The names of people on the island. Just an idea.


69.19.14.40 (talk) 16:42, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hurley's death?

I noticed that someone had listed the Others as being responsible for Hurley's death. Either he/she has information unknown to the rest of us (and a large spoiler has occured) or he/she is mistaken. As of the end of Season 3: Part I, Hurley is still alive and at the main camp.

Hurley can't die. It's a mistake. And even if he does die, it shouldn't be on the article until he does. But he's not going to die. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 17:23, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Premeire Similarity

I didn't see it mentioned anywhere else, but did anyone notice that the 2nd and 3rd seasons' premeires start out the same way? An unseen character begins playing some music (first on LP, second on CD), only to be interrupted by some catastrophic event (the hatch door being blown open, the airliner crashing). Worth noting, I think.

I noticed, and also, "Further Instruction" and "Pilot" start the same way. Not sure if that's mentioned anywhere. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 15:50, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The statue

While at sea, Sayid, Jin, and Sun sight what appears to be the remnants of a massive statue — a large, four-toed marble foot broken off at the ankle, standing upon a rock in the surf. Sayid remarks that he does not know which is more disturbing, the fact that the rest of the statue is missing or that the foot has only four toes.

Taken from the episode summery from Live Together, Die Alone. I think this statue should be noted, as besides the fact that a large marble satue once existed on an island thought only to be used by Dharma, it also has only four toes (and it seems it never had five toes to begin with). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.192.188.142 (talk) 22:21, 8 February 2007 (UTC).


I agree. Add it, with the source. Davelapo555 17:29, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
The statue was seen once and never mentioned again. It's not notable (yet). If you want to add this section again, please provide a source stating why it is notable. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 17:51, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Souce? The only source that is needed is one to prove it existed, which I havad provided, and I belive since Siyed extpressed disturbed fear when he say it, that is significant enough to mention.--68.192.188.142 20:58, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


Well, four is one of the numbers... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.19.14.40 (talk) 16:34, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Illuminati

The number 23 is associated with the Illuminati. Could this have something to do with it, or is that just a coincidence? I'm currious. --Strongbad9405 04:30, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hurley's experience with the numbers

"In the episode "Dave", it is revealed that Hurley heard the numbers from Leonard Sims, a patient at a mental hospital"

This first revealed late in the first season. —alxndr (t) 21:25, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tricia Tanaka

From TV.com: "In numerology, you assign numbers to each letter of the alphabet: a=1, b=2, c=3 ... z=26, to find hidden meanings in text. Applying this to the name "Tricia Tanaka" and summing up the values gives the value 108: 20(T) + 18(r) + 9(i) + 3(c) + 9(i) + 1(a) + 20(T) + 1(a) + 14(n) + 1(a) + 11(k) + 1(a) = 108

108 is the sum of the numbers (4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42)." 193.217.194.162 08:47, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed Animals list

The list of animals that appear on the island has not been demonstrated to be "mythologic" (i.e. supernatural, science fictional or otherwise beyond explanation) which the other sections are. They are either native species (birds, spiders) or brought/studied by DHARMA (polar bears, shark, horses, etc.) Thus, I have removed the section. --LeflymanTalk 17:40, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New photo of the Others?

Could someone acquire an uptodate photo for the Others section? The current one has Bea and Danny on it who are now deceased. ...in America! 16:16, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

So the Others and the Dharma Initiative workers weren't/aren't the same thing? ie the Others aren't remnants of the Dharmas gone bonkers but were another group of people who kicked the Dharmas out? ThePeg 20:19, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

No idea how this relates to the photo. ...in America! 14:50, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Suggested new article: The Monster

We have an article on the Others, and articles on several minor characters such as Cindy, Ethan, and Christian. The Monster is a very important part of the show and one of its core mythological items. In the past, attempts to make an article on the Monster were met with statements that the article would be too short, but the Monster has had many appearances, and if we fleshed out each appearance a bit more (a paragraph for each appearance rather than a sentence, as it is now, for example) then we could have a decent sized article. See Lostpedia's article on the Monster for how much info we could really put in an article. ShadowUltra 23:16, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I think that until there is some explanation as to what the monster is, it should remain under the mythology. Even though it has had many appearances there is still very little explained and most would be speculation rather than actual information on it. Incidentally, those minor characters should probably be condensed into a single article, Minor characters in Lost maybe. ...in America! 10:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Those characters used to be in the article Characters of Lost. However, a little while ago, it was suddenly decided that a few minor character deserved their own articles, and several were made without any consensus. As seen in the Lostpedia article I linked to, the Monster has so many appearances that it could have a big article without much speculation involved. If we have articles on such minor characters, I think an article on something as famous to the show as the Monster should get its own article. ShadowUltra 17:18, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The numbers

I don't know how much relevance it has for the article, but there is a rule called "rule 108" among the existing 256 elementary cellular automata. 193.217.195.197 18:22, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I think that'd be grasping at straws. Besides, the article on cellular automata on mentions Rules 30, 110 & 184. What's Rule 108? ...in America! 08:09, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Locke's Vision in "Deus Ex Machina"

Should Locke's dream/vision from "Deus Ex Machina" be added? Some could argue it isn't a vision, but the fact that it revealed information Locke hadn't known before ("Theresa falls up the stairs / Theresa falls down the stairs") does imply it was a vision of the same kind as in "Further Instructions" AldenCaele 22:22, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Well, how about that

Seems like those elements I included in the Lost mythology last season which were removed AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN!, each and every time I added them, making me think autists were monitoring this article and making me so pissed it havn't been in here for almost a year, has finally been added. I'm talking about the visions, whispering, healing and pregnancy. The more popular an article is, the more morons it attracts. Sorry, just had to get it out. 193.217.192.213 20:01, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jin's miracle

Before the crash while in Korea, Jin and Sun had tried to get a baby but it hadn't worked apparently because there was a problem with Jin. Sun does eventually get pregnant on the island and it is verified that she gor pregnant while on the island. Isn't the potency of Jin who had been proved impotent earlier a miracle ? Kendirangu 11:35, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Seperate Article on the Numbers

I wrote a completely separate article on the numbers that was up for about a week, but for some reason got taken down. Does anyone have any idea why? ryanonthembta 12:45, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

  • While important, you can fairly easily describe the Numbers and their properties in 2 to 3 paragraphs, easily. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.222.104.233 (talk) 05:34, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clones

I think that survivors are not exactely "survivors". I think they are colones of their original versions and two things make me to think that. First - Naomi said, that Flight 713 crashed in the ocean and all the passengers were dead. Second - the new video of Edgar Halowax and the two rabbits with numbers 15. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bTvAUVPyLI Batman tas 20:35, 31 August 2007 (GMT+2)

[edit] Lost Monster

The producers put an official question up on Yahoo answers - see it here - to gather responses about what people thought the monster is. They then picked the answer they liked best - though didn't confirm it as correct - here. Anyhow, I found this information very interesting, and although this answer obviously isn't from the producers themselves nor in the canon of the show (yet?), their selection of it is at least notable as being a possible theory. Is it worth including, it being half-theory, half-reliable source? Nshady16 08:02, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

-- Okay, since there were no objections, I inserted a paragraph. Nshady16 12:38, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Should the Island get it's own article?

The island is obviously very, very important in the Lost universe. It itself is as much of a character as an actual place. The Island article could comprise of its geography, known history, properties, servants (Locke, Ben, the Monster, and Jacob), and people exploiting it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.144.219.85 (talk) 18:00, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Other areas of mythology

Hi, I feel there are two areas of Lost mythology that haven't been listed in the article so far: 1) Music - the song 'Catch a Falling Star', the one Claire's mother sang to her as a child, turning up in the nursery (presuming her memory of her time in the Arrow was accurate) is weird enough, but there's also the examples of the code in the Looking Glass being based on the Beach Boys' 'Good Vibrations' (Bonnie says that, "It was programmed by a musician"), the lyrics (to 'La Mer') Rousseau wrote over and over again on the pieces of paper that Sayid stole (the code to something else?), the fact that the tape in the Dharma van played the same song Hurley had previously encountered in the flashback - lots of examples, really. Should I add a 'music' section? Or not?

2) 'One light, one dark' - a hugely important Lost theme!?! Surely there must be a section on this somewhere...

So basically, if I were to add two new sections, would I be crucified? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjmbarton (talk • contribs) 16:37, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

  • I don't know. I don't think either of those are really aspects of the mythology of lost, they're more like common motifs. We're talking about "mysterious elements that have been ascribed to science fiction or supernatural phenomena" here. I think the Good Vibrations code was just the justification Charlie needed that this was what he had to do, which allowed him to accept his fate. Similarly, I fail to see how a common nursery rhyme appearing in a nursery or a crazy woman's scribblings of song lyrics are really significant in a mythological sense. The same goes for black and white - it's more a motif of the show rather than a mystery that needs to be solved. Nshady16 00:51, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Esoteric Truth?

“ An idea advocated by those that have studied such concepts outside of how they appear in the show is that certain esoteric truths, deep truths or hidden truths relating to an all-pervading, mysterious and strongly spiritual nature of reality are frequently addressed in the TV serial Lost. The show is effectively acting in much the same way as certain ancient writings do, by presenting a layer of surface-level and apparently "real" meaning (a group of plane crash survivors stranded on a tropical island) and simultaneously presenting, using the layer of surface-level meaning as a vehicle, a deep and mysterious truth about the human condition. For this reason viewers should be careful about reading too literally or too finitely into anything that appears in Lost, as a lot of the more bizarre, mystical aspects of what is presented are actually entirely unrelated to the material context they happen to appear in, and are merely using the characters, locations, plots and sub-plots as psychological "trojan horses" in which a real grain of spiritual truth can be delivered to the viewer in a manner that will not be rejected, as the underlying truth would be were it to be presented in its unveiled form, for it would appear simply too far-fetched and unfamiliar to be taken seriously. From this perspective, as entertaining as it is, and regardless of whether or not those involved are consciously aware of it, the ultimate purpose of Lost is not to entertain, but to arouse a spiritual rememberance of truth in those who watch and feel a connection to the recurring, mystical themes in the show. The island is essentially a metaphor for the material level of existence, that which we take for granted as "reality". Most or all of the bizarre ways the island interacts with its unwitting inhabitants are allusions to precisely parallel phenomena that operate in reality, albeit on a level that remains undetected by most. John Locke is the quintessential mystic and is testament to the truth that in order to even begin to understand the true spiritual nature of inner reality (man), and outer reality (the material realm), one must dedicate oneself to a spiritual path. To those who remain spiritually inactive, it either remains a seldom-seen and perplexing mystery or it is rendered completely invisible and an illusion of absolute physical reality sets in (Think The Matrix). This method of clothing a deep truth in an entertaining story is one that is well-known to all who have studied or are even remotely familiar with esoteric doctrine, in this sense Lost is following in a countlessly long line of material dating back as far as mankind itself, and it shares in their one purpose. ”

- Eternities Ohm

This section appears to be original research, but even if it were sourced, it reads like some polemic screed rather than having an encyclopedic tone. I have no doubt the editor was making a good faith effort to contribute, but I do not think this section belongs in this article. Ursasapien (talk) 07:59, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Time

On the Danish wikipedia we have added a section about the time issues on Lost, in the Mythology article. As I have had lots of direct contributions deleted for no apparent reason from the English wiki, I'm just going to suggest it this time. Suggest, that you could add this Time-section to the article, especially taking up some of the issues from season three. - Mark Jensen (talk) 18:22, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Could you post an example here, on the talk page? We want to avoid original research, but if you have something that is specifically sourced I would be interested in adding it. Ursasapien (talk) 10:15, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Placental mammals and pregnancy

Jpgwriter wrote, "(Who says? We have no proof of this)," after the statement, "Other species of placental mammals like the wild boars, do not die due to pregnancy." I think he brings up a good point. Should we find a source for this? I believe they had baby boars in early episodes, but I still think it should be sourced. Ursasapien (talk) 09:50, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Character crossovers

What happened to this page. I can't find it. ЩіκіRocкs talκ 14:37, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Discrepancies and Theories

In the article, it states that at least 8 survivors make it off the island—correct me if I’m wrong, but 6 are known to, and in a lie told by Jack in “Eggtown,” 8 originally survived the crash. That does not mean that left the island; if anything (although it is at least partially false), this implies that 2 people died on the island. Basically, I’m making sure I have just cause to change the number from 8 to 6, just in case…

Also, people seem to be inserting their opinions and theories into this article. For example, it states that the ‘purpose’ of the flashbacks is to provide everyone with constants, a concept introduced in “The Constant.” First of all, any ‘purpose’ of the flashbacks is narrative, and would not concern the plot itself; additionally, while it could be argued and speculated that this could, in fact, provide time traveling characters with constants, no such statement has been made to my knowledge. --Romulus (talk) 02:19, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I believe, although I could be mistaken, that the eight refer to the Oceanic Six plus Ben and Aaron. However, the "constant" premise, unless there is a solid cite from the creators of the show stating this is indeed the case, needs to go. I agree that this may explain the chance meetings and such, but it is complete WP:OR. Ursasapien (talk) 05:24, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I still think that the 8 thing is kind a fishy (especially since the producers said in an interview (with Entertainmetn Weekly, I think), that Ben could be one of the Oceanic 6), but I think we'll know the identidy of everyone who got off soon anyway.
I'm going to go ahead and remove the line about constants in the cross overs section.
--Romulus (talk) 22:40, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I strongly feel we are led to believe that the Oceanic Six are exactly that - six people from the plane that got off the island. Jack suggested eight people survived the crash, but two died before rescue. As Ben wasn't on the plane, I don't think he counts, and Aaron also wasn't a passenger on the plane in a strict sense. The producers have alluded to this in recent podcasts, suggesting that they aren't part of the six. Nshady16 (talk) 04:16, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
I agree with you, too. I merely meant that the producers had stated that Ben could easily pass himself off as a survivor. I don't think that such a notion should influence the article, though, especially since they said something that amounted to 'We'll know who the Oceanic Six are in a few episodes.'--Romulus (talk) 23:43, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] theories and speculations

I hadn't been on here in a while, and all of the suddent the "Mythology" page has been inundated with speculation. Has there been some change in wiki philosophy that I missed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrguido45 (talk • contribs)

[edit] "The Ship Black Rock"--mind if I edit?

I'm asking to make two changes to the section: 1) remove "ship" from the title 2) change the statement that log that Windmore bought was "possibly" from the same ship--the show has explicitly stated that it was from the Black Rock. --Romulus (talk) 21:20, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks to whoever changed it, but I still don't understand the word "Ship" in the subtitle. It states that it is a slave ship in the text, and there seems to be no reason for the word ship. For example, it's not called "The Titanic Ship." No offense to whoever put it in, and I'm just asking before I do it and make someone mad.--Romulus (talk) 05:39, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tense

What tense do fictional articles usually take on Wikipedia? I know that in standard writing, fictional events are always in the present tense. Which is the standard format? Is this an exception because it mostly is about objects? Just wondering.--Romulus (talk) 00:14, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chalres Widmore

The category on this page about the Island used to say that Charles Widmore was looking for it and wished to exploit it. I changed it slightly to show that while we know Charles Widmore is looking for the island, we have no idea what his intentions are outside of what Ben has told us. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrmcpheezy (talk • contribs) 18:33, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tense disagreement

The tenses in this article disagree. Choose past or present. Don't alternate mid-sentence! Bob the Wikipedian, the Tree of Life WikiDragon (talk) 05:33, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] About the numbers and the polynomial equation in the text

"The Numbers are the solutions to the polynomial equation

   x6 − 108x5 + 4405x4 − 87270x3 + 881464x2 − 4239552x + 7418880 = 0.

Both 108 (sum of the numbers) and 7418880 (product of the numbers) , which appear as coefficients in the equation, are of significance in the show. This equation can be factored as

   (4 − x)(8 − x)(15 − x)(16 − x)(23 − x)(42 − x) = 0."


For any equation of the type

(a-x)(b-x)(c-x)... = 0,

the coefficient of the 2nd term will always be the sum of the factors and the last term their product. Try it for yourself !!!

There is absolutely nothing special with the Lost Numbers from this point of view (actually, the reverse would have been special :-). I suggest to remove this part from the "Numbers" paragraph.

Since 108 and 7418880 are used in the show, reference to these should be kept.

[edit] Something I noticed in the ad for tomorrow

At the end of the commercial, when the logo and all new pop up, the reflection of the island in the ocean is a city skyline complete with skyscrapers. Now I have my own theories, but I will refrain. Does anybody have any links to anything else like this? I know original research isn't allowed but they are pics I just took of my TV during an ad break on the west coast feed of Pardon the Interruption. Billywhack (talk) 21:51, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

  • And here are the pics: (blah blah blah, i took them, free use, blah blah blah)

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n204/billywhack/Lostreflection.jpg

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n204/billywhack/Lostreflection2.jpg

Billywhack (talk) 22:22, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

This has been known since the beginning of season 4. It is ment to reflect the flashforwards. Tabor (talk) 20:46, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
OK. Well isn't it part of the mythology? And therefore, deserving of a mention in the Island section? Billywhack (talk) 21:27, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Not really. It's more of an advertising campain. Tabor (talk) 21:57, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding the monster

Upon the latest visit by the monster (se4ep09), it was revealed that Ben goes somewhere inside the secret hidden room in his house and when he comes out, the monster attacks the people from the freighter who had come to take Ben away. There is some talk of this control room thing for the monster in the article so this might be it.203.188.226.130 (talk) 19:46, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Island needs its own article

Seriously it really does. Its long enough and we need to since it is more of a character in the show than a location. And it is certainly the most important part of the show. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.152.85.107 (talk) 20:08, 31 May 2008 (UTC)