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Contents 1 Migrate French Musketeers to their own page? 2 Nouveau Mosquetaires 3 Chinese Musketeers 4 Spanish and Japanese "musketeers"

[edit] Migrate French Musketeers to their own page?

For purposes of discussion, I have brought over the following from my talk page. What do other people think? NYArtsnWords

I have created a new page for the Musketeers of the Guard of the Maison du Roi, instead of having them at musketeer article which should mainly deal with soldiers armed with a musket. If you give the ok we can remove the information from the musketeer section and make redirects. Carl Logan 10:49, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I am torn about this. I imagine (perhaps falsely?) that the majority of wiki links to Musketeer have to do with the French institution or with The Three Musketeers, which would lead me to want to keep it as a subheading on the Musketeer page. This would also be in keeping with the German wiki page (which also has a short section on musketeers in Japan). What is more, the Musketeer article is – right now – tiny (most of the information on the use of muskets is found at Musket), so there is no size issue calling for a subpage. Finally, I am not sure Musketeers of the Guard is well enough known as a title; if a subpage is required, maybe Musketeer (France) might be better? Anyway, that's my two cents. -- NYArtsnWords 17:30, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I cam personally redirect relvant sites there, it is only to go through the What links here section on the musketeer site. I think the name is correct, but it would be best to but a This article is about section at the start of the musketeer article and include them in the disambiguation page. I think that will clear up the confusion. Carl Logan

Musketeer (France) would not be a good title, as the french used two types of musketeers: normal and inexperienced musketeers (those England also used), and those who guarded the King, and the latter where actually called King's Musketeers or Musketeers of the Guard. Anonymous. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.208.45.143 (talk) 09:48, 17 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Nouveau Mosquetaires

I added the "nigh on" & the bits on Swedish & Japanese musketeers based on Dyer's War & Dupuy's Evolution of Weapons and Warfare. Trekphiler 01:00, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I rewrote the Japanese section, lifting from Musket. Trekphiler 01:59, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chinese Musketeers

I am chinese and I've never heard of the Ming and Quing dynasty using muskets. If they had them they could have kicked the British people's ass during the Opium war because they had superoir numbers. The article looks suspicious to me.CHSGHSF 23:12, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with on that part. I also don't like the "Guns did not arrive in China until Europeans stole the gunpowder recipe..." part. Please link us to some sources.

This is Wikipedia. What did you expect?

67.182.0.37 01:18, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. The Gunpowder article states that the recipe spread westward along the silk road. Added {{Fact}} tag. Mon Vier 16:38, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Here's a link that discusses Chinese muskets during the Ming Dynasty:http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php?showtopic=16361 --Aldis90

It's certain that the Chinese had firearms during the Opium Wars. They also had them for quite a while prior to that. In answer to CHSGHSF, the Opium Wars mostly consisted of naval bombardment and blockades, with little land fighting. As stated in the Opium Wars article, when fighting did occur on land, the British had modern, mass-produced firearms.Mon Vier 11:38, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spanish and Japanese "musketeers"

1. Battle of Pavia was won by arquebusiers not musketeers. The whole passage is wrong.

2. There were no musketeers in Japan, but harqebusieres. The japanese teppo was less powerful and had another construction than European musket. It is very close to western arquebus.--Alex Kov 10:25, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Looks like the whole article is a rubbish. It speaks about arquebus and arqusieres, not musketeers.--Alex Kov 10:25, 3 April 2007 (UTC)