Talk:Music of the Trecento

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Much of the current literature presents the Robertsbridge Codex as English (for instance the article Sources of keyboard music to 1660, §2: Individual sources in the New Grove). I would minimize its appearance in this article in favor of the Faenza codex. (Great start, Antandrus!). (Myke Cuthbert -- from before I remembered to sign)

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[edit] Trecento notation and rhythm

It may be just too early in the morning for me, but this article doesn't seem to present or address the fact that Trecento music was notated in a rhythmically precise manner, like Ars Nova notation. Should it? Or should it link to some discussion of it in another article? Thoughts? Dunkelweizen (talk) 11:47, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

There's a lot to be done with trecento notation in this article, which hasn't really been addressed. I don't know of any freely available discussion of trecento notation on the web that could be linked to (except chapter 3 of my [undergraduate thesis], long obsolete and with several embarrassing errors), so it'll basically need to be rewritten from scratch. Generally, trecento notation is considered to be an ars nova notation, and we use "French ars nova" to distinguish the other notation from the Italian types.

Wow, you are highly qualified to work with this topic!!! (Just saw your page.) Over the next few months I may contribute on notation. I'm in the middle of my dissertation now, though, on a very different topic, so my participation will be minimal. Dunkelweizen (talk) 17:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment! Though, actually in some ways working professionally on the topic makes me less qualified to work on this since I have a hard time separating what's been published (RS) vs. what's common knowledge in the field but no one has actually put down on paper yet; and that doesn't even get into the problems of me thinking my opinions are commonly accepted in the field.

I probably won't be contributing to this page much since I'm (supposed to be right now) co-authoring the article on Music of the Trecento for a print history of medieval music. Since I won't get any money for that, I'd sort of rather write it here, where it'd have a wider readership. But, I gotta do what the tenure board says I gotta do.  :) -- Myke Cuthbert (talk) 21:36, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

(P.S. -- most of the notation of trecento music information in Apel is still accurate and can be used. The only major change in recent scholarship shows how syncopation across the barline was not impossible, but rather common and commonly indicated via one-pitch ligatures and other devices. -- Myke Cuthbert (talk) 21:36, 23 January 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Removal of motet

The motet Ypocrite / Et Gaudebit is not part of the trecento musical style, so I've removed it from this article. It could be placed in articles on ars antiqua music or Notre Dame. -- Myke Cuthbert (talk) 17:10, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

You are correct -- thank you. I hadn't noticed its addition. It's Notre Dame. Antandrus (talk) 17:21, 21 January 2008 (UTC)