User talk:Munatobe7

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[edit] Poppers

Hi Munatobe, your editing of Poppers has been reported as vandalism, I think because you seem to be removing large amounts of referenced material. I'm having difficulty judging whether the removal is justified because I don't know anything about the topic. Could you explain why you've removed the material that was referenced? Many thanks, SlimVirgin (talk) 20:49, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


Hi Munatobe,

Thanks for your edits on the Poppers article. However, I'm not convinced about all of your edits—I've checked the citations, and all the sources seem good to me, and the article text matched the citation. I've thus reversed some of the changes back to matching the original source.

With the note regarding glaucoma sufferers, I've reinserted the point in something more like its original sense, but I've added an additional reference, as the previous one did not fully explain the point.

Again, thanks for your edits—all help to improve Wikipedia is much appreciated. me_and 10:39, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


Hi Munatobe, I din't come with a view to this article. I was just surprised to see Poppers connected with AIDS and related problems because I had thought all that was ancient history before HIV was identified when people were trying to work out why a lot of gay men were becoming ill amd poppers was an obvious candidate. As the latest relevant reference I could find in MEDLINE was not mentioned in the article and seemed to have a clear conclusion, I mentioned it in the talk. I did think the bombardment of additional topics rather than a more conventional comment in reply to my post rather odd.

BTW your recent reversion of an edit in the article is a slight misunderstanding. The post wasn't vandalism. There is a song called "Pharmacist's Daughter" which mentions poppers in the first line as suggested. However, the edit that inserted the mention was clumsy and was probably meant for the "in popular culture" section. However, there is a general issue in wikipedia with the huge amount of trivia and inclusions need a clear rationale and an argument threaded through them. A random hotchpotch of allusions without any logic is strongly discouraged by the anti-trivia police. --Peter cohen 00:29, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi yes. A reply to the person's talk page is the conventional method. That way they get a warning that there's a message. Some people insist on replying on their own page, but unless they're running a robot or something similarly major, I don't think that is the best way to do it.--Peter cohen 19:31, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Munatobe, Thanks for spotting my editing error. --Peter cohen 21:04, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] License tagging for Image:Chemicalpropsnitrites.jpg

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[edit] Images

Hi, on the images you just uploaded for Poppers, I'm a bit concerned—

  • Image:Diffbrandssizespoppers.jpg—this looks like an edited version of other pictures. Can you mention where you obtained the pictures? Even though you edited the image, it is still a derivitive of these other pictures which may be under copyright, and if so, the permission of the copyright holder is still required.
  • Image:Amyadvertforwiki.jpg—I think I remember seeing this on another website; I don't think you can claim that you created it, as you have by using {{PD-self}}, and again, it is probably under copyright. If so, and permission from the copyright holder can't be obtained, it may be possible to use it under fair use. However, the source needs to be provided, and it needs to conform with a host of other rules for non-free content—see the link above.
  • Image:Chemicalpropsnitrites.jpg—I'm guessing this is a scan from a 1963 book or report or something, in which case, the same as the above applies. In any case, it is generally considered bad form to upload text as an image, as it makes articles much harder for people with disabilities to read.

Additionally, you may wish to upload free (public domain, GFDL, etc) images to Wikimedia Commons in future—that way, all the various wikis can use them, not just the English language Wikipedia.

I've not removed the images above yet, as I don't know whether or not you do have permission to use the images. I have removed Image:Leonardo's Sphincter Musclessmall.jpg, on the grounds that it isn't about poppers, and it doesn't add anything to the article. Readers who want to know about the sphincter muscles can find out about them from the wikilinks.

Wikipedia does need to be quite strict about copyright, so I'm sorry if this comes over as being somewhat strict, but it is necessary to monitor for non-free content on Wikipedia.

me_and 13:16, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi Meand. Having never had experience with images on Wikipedia I took the "easy way out" and probably violated every rule there is (plus my eyes were glazed over just trying to read and make sense of the huge amount of what's written on Wikipedia about images). In my zeal to try to dress up the article, I just kept searching and searching and found an obscure site with the bottles. But I noticed that the same images of the individual bottles are all over the web on what seem to be dozens of sites. So I opted to grab one and use it. I may have screwed up.

I agree with you about Leonardo's "Sphincter Muscles". Though an amazing drawing (as were all his sketches of the human body), it probably didn't belong in the poppers article. I placed it there in an effort to try to dress up the section as well as because I thought it related to the sphincter aspect of the physiological effects of inhalation of nitrites. (Actually, the way you've re-arragned the page is much more visually appealing.)

You're also right about the chemical Properties image. I'd downloaded the book on nitrites and it's a graphic in that book. I cut it from the PDF. I thought about asking for permission, but just didn't do it. (I opted for the instant gratification of trying to beautify the article instead).

The Amyl advert is on at least two sites, one of them a site that Hank Wilson is related to. I thought it might appease him, and also since it was an old advert from 25 years ago, that it might be permissible to use it just because of that.

I understand the need to be strict re copyright. I should have approached this is in a more measured way. I just wanted to dress up the article (I may be exactly the kind of person for whom Wikipedia has created all the rules to keep from violating copyrights!). If you want to remove any of the other images I'd have no objection to that. Thanks for 'keeping us honest'! Munatobe7 16:38, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Poppers image

Hi Manatobe, thanks for your message. I suppose my reasons for reverting to the old image were:

  • It's a high quality photo
  • All the bottles are at the same perspective
  • None of the bottles overlap
  • The copyright issues have been resolved (see here).

I guess I wo't die in a ditch over this but I do feel the home office image is better. We can always start a thread on the poppers' talk page. Thanks Andeggs 15:51, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Originalamylbox.jpg listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Originalamylbox.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. —Bkell (talk) 22:59, 25 June 2007 (UTC)