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[edit] Trivia?

I'm not sure if this is a real reference or not, but the scene where Mushu delivers the false note to Chi Fu via panda was a little remniscient of another Disney movie "Lion King"...with the whole, "Who are you?" "Excuse me? I think the question is, who are YOU?"

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Shouldn't the legend of Mulan be discussed before the movie based on that legend?

See Hua Mulan for an article on the legend. --b. Touch 04:50, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Controversy

There's quite a few controversies in this film. One of them is where Mulan in the scenes where she wants people to call her "Ping", goes to pond where guys go to the pond to have fun as they don't have on any clothes. --PJ Pete

[edit] Depiction of huns

I remember the film being also controversial about depiction of huns --88.233.152.55 (talk) 11:35, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chirp...chirp...chirp

Why doesn't the article mention the Cricket? I'd insert him if I knew where to... --Wack'd About Wiki 22:38, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chinese culture

Anybody want to address the accuracy of Mulan to Chinese culture? (Not the legend, but culture in general) For example, rumors are that some things were more Japanese based than Chinese based. Anybody want to comment?

Some american viewers complained that Mulan's dress and hairstyle looks more japanese than chinese. But a Disney source suggested that the styles are accrute to the time Mulan story took place. So... Hermansaksono 09:08, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

I also think that Mulan looks more Japanese than Chinese. Heck, she even looks like Yumi Ishiyama from Code Lyoko with her hair sliced short. --User:Angie Y.

The reason someone mistakes that Mulan looked Japanese was simple. The existing Japanese traditional clothes and hair style were copied from Chinese Tang Dynasty which would be about a couple of centuries after Mulan. The military armor, the weaponaries, the helmets and the clothes are very authentically chinese. Centralk 19:04, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

NO, that's how Chinese dressed back then.

In ancient China, women were never asked to be officials, however talented they were. Usually their rewards were either a good, noble or heroic husband or precious presents, whereas in the movie the emperor asks Mulan to be the official with the most power.

[edit] Amount of Films

Uh, there's more than one film called Mulan, it said here on the Internet Movie Database [1]. --PJ Pete

yes there is also mulan 2 a direct-to-video sequel

[edit] Songs & Soundtrack

Why is it that there is a Songs section and a Soundtrack section, the songs section just has four songs from the Soundtrack. I removed the songs section but kept the Soundtrack one. Cbrown1023 22:22, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Xioungnu-Huns

In the section called "Goofs" the first sentences say:

"The primary villains of the film are Huns, depicted here as an invasion force from the north. In reality, the Huns never attacked China--the Mongols did."

That isn't true, both Qin and Han dinasty fought them and specially during the 2th century BC the huns attacked and sacked the northern regions of China, before the great campaigns of Wu-Di and his succesors wich could defeat theirs in the steppe. So that sentence must be changed.

-Fco —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.55.144.187 (talk • contribs)

Done. Thanks. --Nlu (talk) 23:13, 25 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] GOOFS SECTION

In the 'Goofs' section it is noted that Mulan does not start bleeding until after the avalanche, however this could be explained because she is wearing armour and the blood took a while to soak through the thick material therefore not counting as an error.

Secondly, the section also comments on Chien-Po "defying the laws of physics" and Shan Yu's eyes being a colour that is "impossible" in reality. I was wondering if these actually count as errors since Disney rarely complies to natural laws or reality? If they do then should not all impossibilities be mentioned e.g. the ability of a cricket to write Chinese? --Chess 77 22:53, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I was thinking the same thing. I removed those two; they're simply artistic license, nothing more. BioTube 00:23, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Cast

I added a cast section since there wasn't one. Hope it was okay Small5th 05:49, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Umm...I appreciate to whoever added all this cast information, but isn't it a bit too much, considering none of the other Disney movies in wikipedia has all these countries, and the country that this movie most relevent to (China) isn't even included? What do you guys think? Small5th 22:37, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I completely agree. 71.99.132.202 03:30, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Agree as well - be nice to have descriptions instead. Egret 03:11, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Fact"

From the article:

It is the only Disney animated feature aside of Pocahontas to be based on fact.

Hua Mulan is a legend, and not a (for certain) fact. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.20.238.31 (talk) 07:42, 24 January 2007 (UTC).

Okay seriously...I don't think Hercules is a fact...unless there are such things as "half-gods" on this earth...and I agree I don't think Mulan was a fact either! Small5th 03:47, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Gunpower"

As far as I can ascertain, gunpowder was discovered in the 10th century. The Chinese-Hun wars concluded in the 1st century. Moreover, the original Mulan was probably set sometime in the 4th-6th centuries. Although there may have been some quasi-gunpowder research as far back as the 2nd century, there is a 470-year-gap that the original "goofs" author doesn't touch on. wilkyisdashiznit 22:00, 8 May 2007 (MST)

[edit] Reception in China

According to this article Mulan was well-received in China. But one of the citations (about it being used for instruction) actually leads to an article that says it was poorly received. I read in a vague line in a book that it was poorly received as well. Perhaps someone can check on the Chinese Wikipedia? Brutannica 08:22, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, the Chinese article is really short and doesn't have any informations. But I was in CHina back then and I have to admit, it feels awkward seeing it. User: cecikierk —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.174.161.111 (talk) 18:31, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I've also heard that it was poorly recieved in Asia in general, terms like "culturaly insulting" & many comparisons to how pathetic it was compared to the movie version, & that it "sugar coated a tragic drama & added more humor than was necssary." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.19.236.142 (talk) 21:28, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA Passed

I have passed this article for GA because I believe it meets the GA criteria for being well written, informative, stable, neutral, and cites reliable sources. I suggest taking this to either WP:Films or Disney to help get it to FA, if that's your wish. It's a great article, and keep up the good work! Cheers, Corvus coronoides talk 00:26, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spoken language in northern China during the time of the story

The article stated "Although Mulan is set in north China, where the dominant language is Mandarin...". It is not correct given the time of the story.

There are many evidences and indications that Mandarin was not the spoken language or dialect at time of the legend and was not pronounced the way it is today. Many poems and verses (唐詩宋詞) from time later than Sui Dynasty (隋) rhyme better in other spoken languages such as Cantoneseor Holo/Taiwanese. To argue whether the spoken language is Cantonese or to believe the correct pronunciation is "Hua" is not relevant or making this article more accurate.

Spencerho (talk) 17:58, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism in Mulan page

Hi there, there's some sort of vandalism going on in the Mulan page - around the 'Production' section of the article, there's some HUGE text (spelling out 'esther loves.z..' etc (can't decipher the text completely). I'm a newbie, so am not entirely sure how to remove that. Would someone be able to do it? Thanks. (Butterysoft (talk) 15:23, 24 December 2007 (UTC))

Hi. I already removed this yesterday, actually. --SilentAria talk 01:19, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chien-Po

It is likely that Chien-Po, may have been a former monk, first clue is his hair..or lack of. Second is his use of a Buddhist Chant or matra of "oṃ amitābha hrīḥ". --Venixer (talk) 02:20, 16 January 2008 (UTC)