Talk:Mujaddid

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Identifying some candidates as "the only claimant" seems to be more biased and opinionated than is appropriate. The issue of who is *actually* the mujaddid for a given century is a theological question which wikipedia shouldn't really be a reference for. The most one should really say is that the identification of certain candidates as mujaddid is held by a larger group of Muslims. I got a lot of the names from other webpages (which are listed in the reference section on the bottom) or from wikipedia entries for those individuals. For each person listed, there is *some* non-trivial group of Muslims which identifies them as a mujaddid.

This page is in DESPERATE NEED FOR IDEAS!!!
Salam all...
This page is crying for help! It needs attention! Since an expert is not coming any time soon :D we should work together to make it better. Let us remember one thing...
WHO EVER IS BROWSING THIS IS SURELY LOOKING FOR KNOWLEDGE ON THIS TOPIC!!! WHETHER IT'S A MUSLIM, NON-MUSLIM, POTENTIAL MUSLIM, ACADEMIC, OR SOME COLLEGE DUDE TRYING TO GET A PAPER DONE ON TIME :D
I did some fixing up on the page and I think it still needs more...I will explain what I did in a few days...until then...I want to see some good ideas here..! Abo 3adel (talk) 06:17, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I have added a few names from the Lahore Ahmadi website linked at the bottom of the page. They have one or two names at every century-mark; before, we missed some. It appears that some names have been attached at the wrong dates: noticeably Ghazali, whom I have listed at the right century-mark, too. This will take A LOT of work! J S Ayer (talk) 01:32, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Mirza Ghulam Ahmad

I wana add that Mirza Ghulam has made so many statements that he is undoubtfully controversial identity. He claimed to be Mehdi than Misal Massiah than Prophet and now Mujaddid. Abrar Ahmed 18:13, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is considered to be a "Kafir" by main-stream Muslims. However his did claim to be a "mujadid" was serious enough to warrant attention at the level of the national assemblies by some of the largest Islamic nations. The claim continues to be the source of many emotional discussions. To understand the controversy it is essential to mention him in the list. It would be against the npov policy not to do so. His status as a non-muslim should ofcourse be clearly highlighted.Nazli 13:27, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Mirza G A Qadiani was not a Muslim thus he does belong in this Muslim article. If we allow all non-Muslim religious person then Jewish, Christian, Hindus, Buddhists, etc. shoould also have to be added.
Siddiqui 11:44, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad may or may not be considered a Muslim. This is a point of view. The fact is that he was the first person of the last Hijri to claim to be a Mujaddid. As I have stated before his claim was required attention at the level of nation assemblies of some the largest Islamic nations. The issue has continued to be the source of heated debate for decades. The very essence of the dispute regarding the institution of Mujaddid in the last century hinges around him. How can you not mention him in this article? Also since you know very well that this is a contentious issue, you need to discuss this issue before repeatedly making the same changes.Nazli 12:29, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
This article is about Muslim Mujaddids. Please create Mujaddid for your religion.
Siddiqui 14:12, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
You are not getting my point: You consider Mirza Ghulam Ahmad to be a non-muslim. This is YOUR point of view. It is not a NEUTRAL point of view. This is an encyclopaedia with a neutral point of view. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's inclusion in the list is desirable for the reasons I have repeatedly stated above. Any encyclopaedia article about Mujaddids would be incomplete without reference to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. The article already clearly states the issue of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's Non-Muslim status. Nazli 14:21, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

He founded a new religion, like Sikhs Guru Nanak. In who`s book alot of poetry is from Baba Farid. Now should one also consider Nanak as Mujaddid? There are around a billion Muslims, the Ghulamiyya cult is hardly "mainstream". Mhas. 28 March 2008.

The assertion that he founded a 'new' religion is a point of view. The fact that he is considered a non-muslim by may other muslims is clearly stated. He claimed to be a mujaddid and claimed to be a muslim - in fact he was 'officially' declared to be a non-muslim by only one country a that too decades after his death. His importance lies in the fact that he generated tremendous controversy and attention and was well received by many prominent muslims of his time and his claims continue to be believed by a large number of individuals who consider themselves muslims. Whether you consider him a muslim/mujadid or not is a personal/group point of view - this does not however impact his inclusion in this article. Guru Nanak did not claim to be a mujadid or a muslim - no it will not make sense to include him in the list. Nazli (talk) 01:33, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mainstream Muslims vs ALL Mainstream Muslims

There is a significant perrcentage of so called "maintream" Muslims all over the world who have either not heard of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad or have no particular opinion about him. It is mostly in Paksitan, Bangaladesh etc where there is more awareness of this issue. I would be a violation of a neutral point view if every single "mainstream" muslim on earth was included in the blanket statement proclaiming ALL main stream muslims to be in agreement on this issue. I have thus softened the statement by removing the world "ALL". Nazli 06:04, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Of course, point taken- your edit is considerably better. Tanzeel 16:01, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] accuracy issues and possible bias

It looks like the references listed are all Ahmadiyya sites, which is by no means a mainstream sect of Islam. Are there no other sources that back these claims? If not, it should be clearly noted that this is the Ahmady perspective and does not represent Islam as a whole. Furthermore, I cannot see how this is anything other than pure speculation and fail to see the merit of it.

rima 23:42, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wahabi and Qadiani "Propaganda"

The list constitutes the names of possible mujadids - there does not appear to be any issue of propaganda. Removal of the names would be based on a pov and hence a npov policy violation. Nazli 05:08, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Salafist point of view

Salam. As a Salafist, I will keep this page under close watch in order to make sure that the Salafist point of view is available for anyone who wishes to read about it. I will not interfere with any other point of view, and if it appears that I do then I apologize. This is an encyclopedia and all points of view must be given in an objective manner for all to see. Abo 3adel (talk) 08:19, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Like I said above, whoever reads this page is looking for information. It is our job as writers to provide it. That's why I think that every opinion of every sect of Islam that believes in this Hadith should be mentioned. Be it sufis, ahmady, baha'ay, or salafy like myself. If you think that a name is not accepted by other groups, write that down next to the name and give references. Don't go deleting names like this anonymous user did 82.23.87.253. Abo 3adel (talk) 22:08, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
That sounds good. Different groups will have different conceptions of who is a mujaddid. What this page needs most right now is reliable sourcing citing which groups believe what. gren グレン 22:17, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Great to finally see some response to my call :D. I will try my best to get some references for Ibn Taymayah and Muhammed bin Abd-al-Wahab. Abo 3adel (talk) 10:53, 28 May 2008 (UTC)