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I have deleted future dates from the table-- Those should be entered only after they occur, as they could change. The text adequately handles the anticipated dates. Kablammo 02:45, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

1 renaming proposal
2 RMS Prefix
3 Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner
4 Owners
5 Flag icon

[edit] renaming proposal

I am proposing renaming this article MS Queen Victoria (2007), which is the accepted naming convention per the Ships project and will disamiguate from earlier ships named Queen Victoria I'll leave this note up a couple days before doing so, though, to make sure no one objects. Akradecki 17:01, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I suppose. But the only other Queen Victoria to exist was a PS, and not an MS. Further, as there was a TS Queen Mary, does the article RMS Queen Mary therefore have to become RMS Queen Mary (1936)? --gbambino 19:13, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RMS Prefix

Email message from Cunard:

Dear Gary:

No, the Queen Victoria will not be given the official designation of "Royal Mail Ship.". This designation was given for ships who carried the mail on a regular basis and Queen Mary 2 was given this designation in more of an honorary sense.

Kind regards,

Jackie Matthews Manager, Public Relations Cunard Line 24303 Town Center Drive, Suite 200 Valencia, CA 91355-0908

[edit] Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner

In this article, the ship is referred to as a cruise ship, while on the Cunard Website on multiple occasions, (link in many of the sources), it refers to it as "the worlds newest ocean liner" etc.

Should we change this?

156.34.186.37 00:20, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Owners

Is there a source that states Cunard owns QV as opposed to Cunard's parent company, Carnival? With the involvement of Mickey Arrison and Carnival brass in the workings of the purchases and distribution of ships throughout all of Carnival's subsidiary lines, I have my doubts the owner would be Cunard and not Carnival. --G2bambino (talk) 16:11, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

This site states that she was "delivered to Cunard Line" (and they are quite particular about the official registered owners of each ship). In any case it would be extremely irregular for Carnival Co & plc to own the ship directly, as most of the ships of Carnival's subsidiaries are owned by the subsidiaries themselves, not Carnival. Costa ships are owned by Costa, Princess ships by Princess, HAL ships by HAL... even Carnival Cruise Lines ships are owned by the subsidiary Carnival Cruise Lines and not the parent company Carnival Corporation. -- Kjet (talk · contribs) 21:05, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I remain unconvinced; that site you've pointed to isn't official in any way. I'm still of the belief that it's the execs at Carnival Corp. who order and pay for the ships; it was they who ordered the original QV, and then later decided to shift it to P&O as the new Arcadia, and build another QV. So, it seems to me that Carnival Corp. owns the ships, but Cunard operates them. --G2bambino (talk) 02:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

But the point is that Carnival owns the ship through Cunard. -- Kjet (talk · contribs) 12:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, yes. That is the point. Hence, the infobox should state Carnival Corp. as the owner and Cunard as the operator. No? --G2bambino (talk) 15:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

No, it shouldn't. It should state the registered owner of the ship, not the owner of the company it operates under. Carnival Corp own Cunard, Cunard in turn own the QV, QM2 and QE2. Carnival might have ordered to the QV, but that doesn't automatically mean they own her directly.

Since it seems we cannot reach an agreement on this, at leats not between just the two of us, I propose we follow Jimmy Wales maxim "zero information is preferred to misleading or false information" and leave the owner field blank until someone can provide a source we both can agree is reliable. -- Kjet (talk · contribs) 20:29, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Flag icon

The port of registry field was showing United Kingdom, but it was removed with just the note "cleanup infobox". Was the flag incorrect? --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 16:45, 31 December 2007 (UTC)