Talk:Morningside Heights, Manhattan

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I'm quite certain that "The Heights" refers to Washington Heights. I've never heard anyone refer to Morningside Heights as "The Heights". - Louis waweru 21:14, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

There's a bar called "The Heights" on Broadway just south of Columbia, which tends to show usage of that nickname for the neighborhood. However, I have only heard it rarely used. Wl219 00:36, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I think that's just a play on the fact that "Heights" is in the neighborhood's name, and the fact that it's a rooftop bar. Louis waweru 03:57, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I lived in the neighborhood for 25 years...people call this area Morningside. The Heights is Washington Heights. Louis waweru 01:27, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Upper Manhattan?

Why has this term been added as the signifier of M. Heights vs. its equivalent in Toronto? The term is somewhat esoteric and confusing as it is interchangeable with others, including "Northern Manhattan". For general readers (outside New York), "Manhattan" should suffice, if not, even more directly, "New York City". Cjs2111 21:17, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Morningside Heights is not Harlem

In the 19th century, Harlem was broadly defined and included Morningside Heights. The neighborhoods became distinct in the early 20th century and authoritative sources since the 1920s or 1930s describe them as separate communities. See, for example, The Encyclopedia of New York edited by Kenneth Jackson, states clearly that Harlem is bordered to the west by Morningside Avenue -- in other words, it includes none of Morningside Heights. Also, Michael Henry Adams's Harlem Lost and Found, which excludes Morningside Heights, Pinkney & Woock's Power and Politics in Harlem similarly excludes Morningside Heights. I can list additional texts if you like. Uucp (talk) 15:07, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Eastern Boundary

The Eastern boundary of the neighborhood is Morningside Park, not Manhattan Avenue. It is generally accepted that the neighborhood gets its definition from its topography and that the presence of the Morningside Cliff on the east is a 'clear geological boundary' (see Dolkart's book) on the East. --RegentsPark (talk) 21:48, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Personally, I agree with this. Is there any authoritative source defining the neighborhood boundary? Carlo (talk) 21:50, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Dolkart's book is probably the most authoritative. He says, "Since Morningside Heights is defined as a distinct neighborhood primarily by its topography, it should be easy to determine the area's boundaries. Indeed, to the west and east, the geology clearly demarcates the neighborhood. .... while the Morningside cliff to the east separates the area from Harlem." I'm not sure where the editor adding Manhattan Avenue as the Eastern boundary is getting his/her information from. (See p. 3-4 of the book - it is referenced in the article.) --RegentsPark (talk) 21:57, 21 April 2008 (UTC)