Talk:Monophysitism

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In the New Testament there are two sets of teachings: those which distinguish the Human and the Divine, and those which unite them. If it is understood that the more distiguishable two things are, the more perfectly they make one, then these teachings make one doctrine, just as the Father and Son, the Divine and the Human make one God, who is Divinely Human, and Humanly Divine.

That this is the case can be seen clearly in several statements by the Lord Jesus, such as, "He who has seen Me has seen the Father." And "I and My Father are One."

Also the allusion to the burning bramble when the Lord said, "Before Abraham was I am." We can see that the Divine and the Human are the same essence and being and will and the same God because He first says "I AM who [is] I AM", twice as a name, and then simply "I AM".

The words "Divine Human" convey to us, not Jesus as He hung on the cross, before the Human was fully glorified, and the Holy Spirit was not yet (John 7:39), but the Lord glorified, who breathed on them the Holy Spirit, His own breath. As he says, "I will send you another Comforter, I will come to you". The Holy Spirit is another comforter, not because it is a separate person, but because the presence of the Son of Man before glorification was one comforter, and His presence glorified, the Son of God, was the full comforter, the Holy Spirit. But the son of God glorified is the Human glorified, which is as Thomas said, "My Lord and my God." For in Jesus Christ dwells the fulness of the Divinity bodily"

Besides, the purpose of separating the Human nature from the Divine nature was much more political than it was theological, not just because Rome held one view, and Byzantine the other, but because by means of this doctrine the Pope could become the vicar of Christ, for no one could be vicar of the Divine nature, but if the human nature was not Divine, then this function could be passed on to Peter, and thus to the Popes, while Christ keeps only His Divine nature after glorification. But then how is it that the Son of Man is glorified, what is glorified, the Divine nature was already in full glory, and Abraham beheld this glory.

As always the simplest answer rings true. The Lord Jesus Christ is the one God of heaven and earth, He is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, God the Creator from eternity, the Redeemer in time, and the Savior to eternity, and this is the gospel to be preached.

your brother, Andrew James

[edit] "miaphysitism" needs its own article

As I have tried to make clear in rewriting this article, "monophysitism" and "miaphysitism" are two separate positions, and the latter needs its own article, instead of being a redirect to "monophysitism." Would someone pleace help with this? I am still learning the ropes when it comes certain functions - --Midnite Critic 6 July 2005 22:16 (UTC)

The technical point: When viewing the article, click on "What links here" on the left column toolbox. Scroll down and locate the entry "Miaphysitism (redirect page)". Click the link and you see the actual redirect page. You can edit that page and replace the redirect with an article.

The factual point: Isn't "monophysitism" a inherently point of view term? Do you really think that it can be safely divided in two articles?

Pjacobi July 7, 2005 18:59 (UTC)

Thanks for the technical information. Following your instructions, I have created a separate article regarding miaphysitism and, I THINK, have managed to present a NPOV. Any feedback is welcome. --Midnite Critic 8 July 2005 00:50 (UTC)

Miaphysistism would generally be considered to be a subset of Monophysitism, I think. So it's okay to have it in its own article, as long as we still discuss it on this page, as well. john k 8 July 2005 05:00 (UTC)

Miaphysitism is not a subset of monophysitism, as any Orthodox oriental Christian would tell you clearly.

Nrgdocadams 21:54, 21 January 2006 (UTC)Nrgdocadams

[edit] current adherants?

Are there any current adherants or influences? Perhaps certain Protestant sects? —Preceding unsigned comment added by TCO (talk • contribs) 01:53, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

No. If anything, Protestantism in general leans more toward Nestorianism.--Midnite Critic (talk) 13:38, 10 December 2007 (UTC)